.338-06 er 35 whelen? thinking 18.5" bull? IDEAS???

Agreed, and oddly enough after posting earlier about shortening up a 9.3X62, called and spoke with Anthony this morning. There is another 9.3X57 with a 20" barrel heading this way, not drilled and tapped, going to stay that way, and will be the light handy rig I had posted about, only 50 fps slower. :)

Ted
 
Yep! Can tell you from personal experience that a 200 gr 30 cal cup and core bullet will significantly out-penetrate a 200 gr 35 cal bullet.

Never could understand folks who used the 200 gr bullets in the 358 Winchester or 35 Whelen. They don't even shoot as flat as the 250 spitzers!
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Yep! Can tell you from personal experience that a 200 gr 30 cal cup and core bullet will significantly out-penetrate a 200 gr 35 cal bullet.

Never could understand folks who used the 200 gr bullets in the 358 Winchester or 35 Whelen. They don't even shoot as flat as the 250 spitzers!
Ted

Your Right - Silly Shooters they are ! LOL RJ
 
I'd go with the .338-06 for the superior selection of rifle bullets.

I have thought of converting a Remington pump carbine from 30-06 to 338-06 for a unique thumper that nobody else would have.

It would make a great bush rifle which would be good for the occasional long shot.
 
It doesn't matter why its true, its true. To make the point though, the elements which come into play relate to bore capacity, which is a measure of efficient powder burning in a restricted space. Bore capacity is effected by powder type, bore groove diameter, pitch of rifling, sectional density of the bullet, allowable pressure, and the shape of the case. With the exception of switch barrel rifles, in a given rifle we have no control over groove diameter, rifling pitch, allowable pressure, or the shape of the case, but we can make choices as it relates to the bullet's SD and the type of powder we use. With few exceptions, the powder that produces the highest velocity with a given bullet in a long barrel, produces the highest velocity with that same bullet in a short one as well. Sectional density increases with bullet weight, and efficient powder burning generally improves with heavier bullets.

Here is a cut and paste of mine from another thread... but it supports your hypothesis;

I see the loss in velocity, due to a shortened barrel, expressed in fps/inch all the time... I have been guilty of it myself... in fact a far truer expression of velocity loss due to a shortened barrel, should be expressed in (% of original fps/inch)... in my experience the faster (lighter) cartridges loose MORE fps/inch than the slower (heavier) cartridges... but since they start out at a much higher velocity (sometimes double; ie .45/70 vs .22/250) the percentage loss is approximately equivalent. I bobbed a .45/70 barrel from 22" to 18" and loss less than 100 fps for the 4", or roughly 5% (2050 vs 1960; before and after). Where as a .243 bob from 24" to 20" resulted in a loss of 200 fps (58 VM's at 3800 vs 3600)... also approximately 5%. Of all the barrel bobs that I have done within reasonable ranges (say 18" - 32") the net loss of velocity has fallen in the 1.3 - 2.0%/inch range)... if one were to use (1.7% of initial fps/inch) as a median, you would be fairly close at calculating net loss per shortened inch of barrel length... for any given cartridge. In the chop tests that I have done the barrels were recrowned at each length and the same batch of reloads were used before and after. Of course this is a relatively small sample size (maybe two dozen barrels) and there are many variables... so don't chew up up my rough statistical analysis and conclusions... for my own uses, this is sufficiently accurate to assist with barrel length decisions vs the intended purpose of the subject firearm. As for "intended purpose"... the .243 chop I referenced earlier was on a varmint rig, to hunt our usual locations in brush country where light and handy are more important than speed, where shots are almost always under 200 yards and mostly under 100 yards... whereas, I would never consider bobbing my 26" 700 bench .243 rifle down to 20".
 
In a 338 or 35cal, most folk will use one or two bullets at most. There's ample selection for this in both calibers.

I've never been found wanting for more selection for my 35s.

In my .35's, I use mostly Hornady 200 & 250 SP-RP's, Accubond 225's, TSX 225's or TTSX 200's... but there are plenty of other options... more than can conceivably be required for any purpose.
 
I think if I were making that choice between those two calibers I would go with the whelen only because it's a bit easier to make velocity with the proposed short barrel. I'm not sure but it's not unreasonable to think that short barrel could make 2400 fps with a 225 gr. bullet. that bullet in a nosler accubond would have a BC close to 0.430 so at 2400 fps he would still have about 1850 fps at 300 yards with less than 12 inchs of drop assuming sight in distance of 200 yards and factory ammo in whelen is way easier to get.

Note: I do not have facts for velocity assumption all I did was plug a few numbers in my ballistic calculator based on some ideas
 
.338 bullets are all rifle bullets while many .357 bullets are handgun bullets. I'd go with the .338. YYMV.

My Whelen uses a .358 bullet of which there are an ample choice.
And for several decades I have used a 290 gr. Lyman GC bullet which makes a nice Moose load.
Don't get me wrong , I have had a 338-06 for many years and like it too but it seemed fussier to find a good load.
I've recently been playing with an 8mm / 06 also an excellent cartridge with a great bullet selection.
 
My Whelen uses a .358 bullet of which there are an ample choice.And for several decades I have used a 290 gr. Lyman GC bullet which makes a nice Moose load.
Don't get me wrong , I have had a 338-06 for many years and like it too but it seemed fussier to find a good load.
I've recently been playing with an 8mm / 06 also an excellent cartridge with a great bullet selection.

True enough. :)Just recently added some 310gr Woodleigh RN to enhance the selection I already have to use in a pair of 358 Norma Magnums I have.
 
True enough. :)Just recently added some 310gr Woodleigh RN to enhance the selection I already have to use in a pair of 358 Norma Magnums I have.

I'm certainly looking forward to hearing how those 310s perform in those fine 358 Normas.
Someday I will try them in the Whelen but be assured they will be flying a lot slower than in your Norma...
 
.338 bullets are all rifle bullets while many .357 bullets are handgun bullets. I'd go with the .338. YYMV.

Why would you use .357 bullets intended for handguns, when there are a plethora of .358 bullets made for use in rifles? I listed a few of them in a post above...
 
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