30-30 pointed bullets question

sunray said:
Like Bassmaster says, 170 grain FP's are made for tube mags. Nothing to worry about. The flat bit is bigger than the primer pocket and factory primers are seated properly. Loading .30-30 is something Winchester has been doing without getting sued for over 100 years.
The Speers a SPFN? Those are made for use in a tube mag too. Just be sure the primers are seated a tick below flush and you'll be fine.
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The thing is i noticed that the factory ammo contacts all of the primer, it is smaller then the primer, not larger
 
LUTNIT said:
If you watch the video of the Hornady tests about magazine detonations when advertising their FTX bullets they have the .30-30 cartridges in a clear plastic tube and have white plastic bushings on the necks of the bullets to centre the tips in the tube. The tip of one bullet rarely lines up perfectly with the primer of the round in front of it because of the rim and tapered body. That is why magazine tube detonations are relatively rare. If it happens to line up just right (wrong?), that one in whatever chance, you can have a really bad day.

I've known a lot of guys who use FMJ for coyote with .30-30 levers and do the standard 2-shot loads (one in chamber, one in magazine).
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That just joggled my brain a little.....didn't someone try a 'spiral' tube magazine at some point that was purposely designed to turn the point of spitzer bullets off to the edge in some fashion? To prevent the aforementioned really bad day of course...
 
I have suspected for years that a bullet could not be made to go off in a tubular mag, but am not brave enough to try it. When you consider that you have to get a firing pin just right to fire reliably , a soft bullet point would be unlikely, but again, who wants to take that chance.
 
LUTNIT said:
If you watch the video of the Hornady tests about magazine detonations when advertising their FTX bullets they have the .30-30 cartridges in a clear plastic tube and have white plastic bushings on the necks of the bullets to centre the tips in the tube. The tip of one bullet rarely lines up perfectly with the primer of the round in front of it because of the rim and tapered body. That is why magazine tube detonations are relatively rare. If it happens to line up just right (wrong?), that one in whatever chance, you can have a really bad day.
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I've never seen that video, but I always thought that - the bottleneck cases, even under the (fairly light) pressure of the follower, would still be a little bit point-down, and probably not lining up to the primer. Plus, I've done some fairly informal experiments with primers, and even with a hammer and nail, you have to slam those things pretty hard to get a detonation.

All that aside, I don't see the point in taking unnecessary risk, and have others have mentioned, I've employed the 2-shot method with pointed 30-30 rounds. But, I likely never will again - for some inexplicable reason, all 4 of my 30-30 lever guns group better in both light plinking loads and heavy hunting ones, with round-nose projectiles. The best group I ever got (that I took the time to measure i guess) with pointed rounds in my 30-30 was 40% bigger than the groups I was getting with round-nose ammo.
 
Sgt.RockRules04 said:
I'm not really sure why you want to walk towards the flames with potentially dangerous tipped bullets? Reloading has some basic tenants to follow, this is one of them.(Period) SgtRock:confused:
btw, I have a Win '94 lever in 30/30 & use Berry's 150gr FN
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your unsure because you didnt read all the posts. This is a flat tipped round. The flat spot is the same size as the flat spot on a FN round. Ive already gotten my answer, thanks
 
Occasionally I loaded and shot pointed bullets from a traditional, tube fed lever gun in .30/30. It can be done safely provided you load the rifle as a 2-shooter, one in the mag, one in the chamber, no chance of problems, and you get a nice flat trajectory with a 125 at 2600. If you need to shoot more than twice, open the action, drop a round on the elevator, and pull the lever closed.
 
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