Since Canada Post is no longer reliably delivering packages...

st1264 said:
Before you blast CP (under the assumption you have a restricted firearm with "Do Not Safe Drop" and "Sig req'd", which it should be):

1) Were you home? Was the doorbell rung or did they knock?
2) Did the store/sender write this as "Hold for pickup"? I was getting pissed off when this happened to me a few times, then found out the store requested this :mad:

If you do find out it's just your postie's laziness, have a word with your parcel guy and if that doesn't work, call and complain. I do find CP's parcel delivery to be late the past few weeks. I've never had a package lost by CP yet (knock on wood). STATT's shouldn't be necessary if there's someone home to sign for the package and an attempt has been made to deliver it.

Technically, you need a STATT, while the Postie doesn't even need a PAL. There is the unfairness that makes us angry.
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I watched the goof put my mail in the box at the end of my driveway, scribble out the pick-up card, and put it in the mailbox as well. No attempt to deliver...
 
Posted this request for information to the OPP website this morning, marked ATTENTION: Chief Firearms Office

For Chief Firearms Office:

There is an ongoing debate among store owners and shooters as to whether or not an individual is required to secure a temporary Authorization To Transport when picking up a Restricted firearm that is delivered by mail. The overwhelming consensus at this time seems to be that an ATT is required to collect a parcel from the Post Office when the Canada Post courier has failed to deliver that package to the recipient's door, and has left a notice for collection.

The confusion seems to lie in the fact that the parcel in question would be securely wrapped, with no indication of the contents within -- that is to say, no identification revealing that the contents being transported.

It has long been accepted by most shooters or gun buyers that they do not require an ATT to collect a parcel from the post office, as no person along the chain of possession is in any way made aware that the contents of that package are anything more nefarious than a pair of shoes. As well, for outgoing firearms to be shipped to customers, no ATT is issued by the Chief Firearms Office -- only a single-page document identifying the new Registration Certificate is issued for outgoing shipments of Restricted firearms.

It seems bizarre that a postal employee who may or may not hold a valid PAL would be permitted to carry and transport a Restricted firearm under the auspices of being a bonded courier agent, yet an individual who has undertaken the requirements to secure a valid PAL, to purchase said item in good faith, and to have that item delivered to their residence would be required to attain additional documentation to collect that purchase when the courier fails to complete delivery to the prescribed address.

Please confirm, in writing, the requirement or lack thereof for a temporary Authorization To Transport a Restricted firearm which is shipped in a wrapped and sealed package, bearing no markings or indications of content, to be collected by the licensed and registered owner from their local postal outlet so that we can put this matter to rest once and for all time.

Awaiting a response. Will keep you updated.
 
Silverback said:
Parcel delivery is contracted out where I live so no problems here with delivery to the door, if I do get a card it goes to a Drug Store for pick up, not the most secure arrangement. What if my wife gets home first and we have a parcel card and she picks it up, should I take it back to the drug store and apply for an ATT? This system is so stupid and flawed, so many things that don't make sense or really matter, as long as the firearm ends up at the rightful owners home who cares.
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Agreed... The system is stupid..
Now if only the government would hire shooters to make the decisions about the shooting sports and not golfers... Not that there's anything wrong with golf.. But it is 2 different sports..
 
Berniew said:
Agreed... The system is stupid..
Now if only the government would hire shooters to make the decisions about the shooting sports and not golfers... Not that there's anything wrong with golf.. But it is 2 different sports..
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Hmmm.....I play golf like I shoot....long and straight. My wife likes it that way too but I digress.
 
I dont see how you would go about getting an att you dont have any information on.
Its a box coming fromba sporting goods store. It could be boots, earmuffs, brass, or bullets. All can be shipped cps.

My mail person only tells me there is a package waiting for me. Does not say who it is from. How do I know until I get the package home whats in it ?
 
You need a short term ATT . It's the law. Willful ignorance to the contents of your package will not help you in court. It is your responsibility as a responsible law abiding gun owner to get the little piece of paper the CFO says you need. Saying " I didn't know what was in the package" is a childish excuse that may have worked of we were in grade school but we are adults, with responsibilities.
You don't have to open your package in the post office and inspect it and trigger lock it. It is reasonable to assume that the shipper shipped the firearm according to the law.

Not getting an STATT so you can plead ignorance and not "have to open my package in the post office" is another childish excuse.
The CFO and the CFC have been very clear about this. No room for interpretation or opnion on this matter.

Could all the people saying "it's just a package until I get it home," and "how am I supposed to know what's in the package?," please just stop, you make us all look bad and you're just muddying up the waters.
If you want to call yourself a responsible law abiding gun owner, as it seems everyone on this site does, then you need an STATT period.
 
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Aries- said:
I dont see how you would go about getting an att you dont have any information on.
Its a box coming fromba sporting goods store. It could be boots, earmuffs, brass, or bullets. All can be shipped cps.

My mail person only tells me there is a package waiting for me. Does not say who it is from. How do I know until I get the package home whats in it ?
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Not only would you have the registration or transfer notice already mailed to you but the cfo would also have record of your recent transfer and could get the registration number from that. I did it all over the phone in 5 mins or less and had the statt emailed to me right away. You also need the address of the post office so they can put it on the att
 
danoiwan said:
Every handgun I have got through the mail had a mag inserted, which is also against transportation laws.
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Were there rounds in the mag? If not I don't think that goes against any laws, transportation or otherwise. Firearms just have to be unloaded for transport, not have the empty magazine taken out.
 
I was told by my postie that if it doesn't require a signature they are not going to attempt to deliver it.. and if it does and it's too big to fit in my box they won't either.
 
NAA said:
Reading the previous posts, I must have one of the exceptions to the rule to just leave a card & run away. My post lady usually bring the mail around 1030 am every weekday. If there is a parcel with signature to accept she will bring it to the door & knock. If per chance there is no one home she will leave the card.

I have had good luck in the early am checking the tracking on line, too. It will usually say "out for delivery" on the day she brings it so I know to be home for her arrival.

Just lucky I guess.

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This +2

Bob
 
rem74283 said:
Not only would you have the registration or transfer notice already mailed to you but the cfo would also have record of your recent transfer and could get the registration number from that. I did it all over the phone in 5 mins or less and had the statt emailed to me right away. You also need the address of the post office so they can put it on the att
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The store gets the information long before the owner does. We get calls all the time people asking if they need the cert to go to the range because the recieved the gun before it was mailed.
 
30-06BangStix said:
You need a short term ATT . It's the law. Willful ignorance to the contents of your package will not help you in court. It is your responsibility as a responsible law abiding gun owner to get the little piece of paper the CFO says you need. Saying " I didn't know what was in the package" is a childish excuse that may have worked of we were in grade school but we are adults, with responsibilities.
You don't have to open your package in the post office and inspect it and trigger lock it. It is reasonable to assume that the shipper shipped the firearm according to the law.

Not getting an STATT so you can plead ignorance and not "have to open my package in the post office" is another childish excuse.
The CFO and the CFC have been very clear about this. No room for interpretation or opnion on this matter.

Could all the people saying "it's just a package until I get it home," and "how am I supposed to know what's in the package?," please just stop, you make us all look bad and you're just muddying up the waters.
If you want to call yourself a responsible law abiding gun owner, as it seems everyone on this site does, then you need an STATT period.
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Ok, what if my wife picks up the parcel before I get home like I said earlier, we live in a small remote community so we do a lot of shopping online so it can happen easily. Are the CFO police going to put her in jail or just call her childish.:rolleyes:
 
If you guys don't quit complaining, you'll get the American system. Shipped to a dealer only, picked up with 20 pieces of paper only, during limited business hours, and of course all for a hefty fee.

Canada Post doesn't want to deliver mail. They want to do e-commerce and e-mail bills... They have announced the end of door to door delivery, and what you're describing is just the start. I think we'll soon get our transfer letter, St-ATT and certificate by e-mail from the CFO, since you won't be getting home mail delivery.

Don't worry, when Justin & Co. get elected, you'll need a permit to own a picture of a firearm, and the real thing will be safely out of reach. In the meanwhile, I'm very happy to see my excellent mail lady, and very keen to hear what the official verdict is on unpacking and securing firearms at the Post Office.
 
gunzik said:
Canada Post doesn't want to deliver mail. They want to do e-commerce and e-mail bills... They have announced the end of door to door delivery, and what you're describing is just the start. I think we'll soon get our transfer letter, St-ATT and certificate by e-mail from the CFO, since you won't be getting home mail delivery. Don't worry, when Justin & Co. get elected, you'll need a permit to own a picture of a firearm, and the real thing will be safely out of reach. In the meanwhile, I'm very happy to see my excellent mail lady, and very keen to hear what the official verdict is on unpacking and securing firearms at the Post Office.
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I agree. You might want to cherish every day you see your wonderful mail lady as you won't see her for much longer. Eventually she'll just be stuffing community boxes and you'll have to walk 3 blocks in the snow to get your mail. Only Signature req'd parcels will go to your house, anything else will be tagged for pickup or left in the community parcel area (size permitting).

(Many Canadians already have this, but it's going nationwide as it saves them a ton of money).
 
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One time a woman (not my regular postie) just left a note. I had heard her drive up so I called to her from my window.

She didn't even have my package with her, she mumble something about not having it and she'd be back then never showed up. Weird.

I went down stairs to my door and the failed delivery notice was there. She didn't even knock or ring the bell.

That only happened once and I get lots of packages. This wasn't a firearm or ammo BTW.
 
Good Lord......this is being way overthought.
1 - get card
2 - go to PO
3 - pick up package, go home.

If anyone has ONE instance of a gun owner being charged doing this, speak up.

For anyone who absolutely must follow every nuance of every law, by all means call the CFO if it makes you feel better, but who knows if your transporting it safely? Is it trigger locked? Is the case its in locked? Not easily broken into? I've received restricted's wrapped in a towel, in a cardboard box. Thats it. Even if you have your STATT, you ain't transporting it in accordance with the law, so you'd have to open it at the PO, and lock it up. Ya, that should go over well....
 
Repro77 said:
Good Lord......this is being way overthought.
1 - get card
2 - go to PO
3 - pick up package, go home.

If anyone has ONE instance of a gun owner being charged doing this, speak up.

For anyone who absolutely must follow every nuance of every law, by all means call the CFO if it makes you feel better, but who knows if your transporting it safely? Is it trigger locked? Is the case its in locked? Not easily broken into? I've received restricted's wrapped in a towel, in a cardboard box. Thats it. Even if you have your STATT, you ain't transporting it in accordance with the law, so you'd have to open it at the PO, and lock it up. Ya, that should go over well....
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This!

Christ in 69 years I have been stopped by the Police once 44 years ago for failing to dim my headlights ($10 fine) and three times for speeding all off with a warning. It is not like the police have road blocks out searching for contraband in this country. They have a whole lot more to do and deal with than stopping you to look at a package.

Service from Canada Post varies, but name me a company the size of the post office that doesn't have foul ups from time to time. Personally we get real mail here four days a week. Tuesday, due to their method of moving mail, they might as well stay home. If they reduced it to Monday and Friday and concentrated on parcel delivery it would be fine with me. I can't remember when the last time I received an actual letter in the mail. Guns more than a few times. Always either delivered to the house or left in the locked mail box. We don't get house delivery in the neighbourhood I live in. Newer sub-division.

Take care

Bob
 
Repro77 said:
Good Lord......this is being way overthought.
1 - get card
2 - go to PO
3 - pick up package, go home.
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Amen... quit being such a pansy, and just go to the post office and pick up your package. Throw it in the trunk and wait until you get home to open it. Not too hard guys

And ya, it's most likely not properly stored in the box anyways, so if you really feel the need to call for an ATT to go get your package from the post office then you may as well stop and pick up some tampons on the way home...
 
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