Hi-Lux Scopes

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Not wanting to buy one, but came across them while shopping for a couple different scopes. The Hi-Lux Leatherwood M100 ART - seems weird to me. Anyone with hands on experience? Glass/Cam system etc.
Ive never heard anything about these, do they belong in the Barska/Tasco pile?
 
Leatherwood was the company that produced the ART (Auto Ranging Telescope) for the snipers in Vietnam. I don't own the ART, but I do own one of the 1-4 power and a 2-7 long eye relief, and they are not Barska/Tasco. In my opinion they are above the Falcons, and would compare to a mid-level Vortex, or Bushnell Elite/4200 series
 
wheels said:
because they are the same as the Vietnam era stuff by name only.. company/name has long since been sold and their stuff is now made in China and is considered to be crap.
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Bushnell and Vortex are made in China, but no one seems to feel they're crap, why the double standard?

TDC
 
TDC said:
Bushnell and Vortex are made in China, but no one seems to feel they're crap, why the double standard?

TDC
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really?

no one thinks the lower end bushnells are junk??? Elites are not made in China.

Vortex Crossfires are made in China, the rest are Philippines/Japan.. and yes, I would call a Crossfire 'junk'.

Do your own research on Hi-Lux stuff if you don't believe me.. and for the record I never stated the reason they are junk was because they are made in China (that was your conclusion).. although it does seem to go hand-in-hand with optics and China.
 
wheels said:
really?

no one thinks the lower end bushnells are junk??? Elites are not made in China.

Vortex Crossfires are made in China, the rest are Philippines/Japan.. and yes, I would call a Crossfire 'junk'.

Do your own research on Hi-Lux stuff if you don't believe me.. and for the record I never stated the reason they are junk was because they are made in China (that was your conclusion).. although it does seem to go hand-in-hand with optics and China.
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I don't disagree with what you post, I'm just commenting on the often double standard with regards to optics. Bushnell is all garbage, any company that would sell you low end polished turds then try and sell you high end stuff that may or may not be built properly is shallow. Vortex is grossly over priced junk. I know a guy who gets a 50% discount on Vortex glass because his employer is a dealer. Seeing as a no dealer or manufacturer will ever sell for a loss, that kind of discount begs the question. What do they cost to manufacture if they can offer their dealers a 50% discount and still make a profit???


TDC
 
MadMarty said:
Good point TDC. That said does anyone else actually use one of these "Can" scopes?
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I use one. I have an M1200 mounted on my 'SmithFieldSadlak-a-Norc-instein' M14. I have pushed it out to 800m so far and got inside of 5" with 4 of 5 rounds (.308 Rem 150gr). I am by no means some "Dead Eye ####" and am just starting to stretch out my shooting. It's a nice scope, a great concept and effective. However it takes some time to learn how to use and get used too and that is after you have figured out the right CAM setting for the rounds your using. Once you get it all figured out though it's pretty cool how it works.

I have had mine for about 2 years now. I use it lots and it has been good with the exception of a couple of small issues. Last year the eye relief lens seemed to come out of it's setting. I sent it back to Wolverine, they sent it to HiLux and it was replaced no questions asked. It took about 2 weeks so no prob. However my new one, as of just the other day (after my first 800m group:) it seems the the recital may have moved? I will see this weekend and if so it will be getting sent back again. Also I wouldn't say that the focus is so good when put to near full magnification.

Good warranty but it's clear to see that there is some QC issues from their over seas supply.

All in all, for what it is and for what I paid ($870apx) it's a good scope and fun to use once you learn it.
 
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I have personally used the ART MPC (Military/Police/Civilian) which is the second in line of the ART series. Designed to be used on flat top AR's, long based weaver/1913 picatinny rails and the 2 point contact M14 mounts or there after. Unlike the original ART system where the CAM ring was set for ballistic trajectory, the ART II/MPC was set up with an adjustable CAM ring that can be set to multiple cartridges and loads. This system has been updated and improved on since the First and second ART system. With the addition of Mil Dot to the scope, this further allows quick acquisition of the target, quick ranging estimates and quick follow up shots through use of the Mil Dots as Kentucky windage.

By no means would I say this system is a competition target quality system, but it will do minute of meat no problem. 5 inches at 800 meters is more than enough to ruin bambi's day!
 
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