Incompetent airgunsmith + bad advice = one dead classic airgun.

leonardj

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I received what appeared to be an absolutely pristine Giss action match rifle for repair, that has sadly, turned out to be a very attractive wall hanger. The truly frustrating part of the whole thing is that it was wholly the result of negligence, coupled with some very bad advice, that resulted in the gun being destroyed. The damage to the gun truly has to be seen to be believed, but the owner has refused permission to post any pictures of his gun, so I will do my best to describe what I found. (I will not post pictures of any gun sent to me for repair without the owner's permission).

When the current owner purchased the gun, about three years ago, the gun still had it's original seals in it - decayed and crumbling. The gun was sent to a "professional" (Canadian) tuner for a complete rebuild. After approximately a full year, the gentleman received his gun back, with a few marks on the stock and some tiny scratches in the bluing that it did not have prior, but the gun seemed to be functioning fine. Within less than two months, the gun began losing power, and when the "professional" tuner was contacted, the owner of the gun was instructed to "apply a few drops of silicone chamber oil into the transfer port". The gun continued to lose power, despite numerous applications of silicone chamber oil. Several hundred shots were taken in hopes that the chamber oil would revitalize the piston seal. It did not - instead, the gun now began feeling "gritty" when cocking, and the shot cycle was becoming noisier. The airgunsmith now advised that the gun owner get some spray-in moly, and blow it in through the openings in the bottom of the action. Again, this did nothing to eliminate the coarseness.

At this point, the gun's owner now demanded that the airgunsmith take the gun back and make it right, because in the owner's opinion, it was never repaired correctly from the outset. The airgunsmith became offensive, laid the blame on the owner, and threatened legal action if the gun owner ever contacted him again.

After making numerous inquiries, the gun owner was eventually directed to me. As the owner described his experience, I pretty much knew exactly what had happened, and operation of the action confirmed what I suspected to be a worst case scenario. I explained to the owner that the gun could very well be damaged beyond practical repair, but he insisted that I proceed to open the gun up to be sure.

What I found inside was not pretty, but was what I had expected. The "professional" airgunsmith had not properly cleaned out the end of the compression chamber from the petrified remains of the forward portion of the original piston seal which had become fused to the chamber walls. This material takes a bit of work to remove, and clean up properly - a step which some 'smiths don't bother with. The end result is that in some cases, the new piston seal will slowly scrape the old debris off the chamber walls and the gun will shoot half decent - but - in many cases, the new piston seal becomes damaged and deformed as it repetitively rides up over that hard, fused on debris at the end of the compression chamber, and the seal eventually loses it's ability to seal altogether - as was the case with this gun. The piston seal in this gun was so badly deformed, that it is almost oval, rather than round.

The side pinions, and the racks on both of the pistons were badly chipped - rendering them so much scrap metal. I attribute this to the constant, and unbalanced hammering of the pistons for hundreds of cycles, of what was for all practical purposes, dry firing of the gun - done on the advice of a "professional" airgunsmith !!!

A quick tally of the costs involved to now repair this fine old gun resulted in a sum far beyond the actual value of the gun, and even if used parts could be sourced, the repair cost would still be prohibitive.

Chalk up another destroyed classic to a lazy, incompetent, self proclaimed "professional" airgunsmith.
 
The owner of the gun needs to name the hack, not me.
Coming from me, the information is heresay, since I was not a party to any part of the transaction that resulted in the damage.

Unfortunately, this has become all too common a scenario - the victim of an unethical hack intimidated into silence by threats of either legal action, or being banned from one or both of the primary Canadian based airgun forums to which he belongs. This is sufficient motivation for some folks to remain silent, eat the loss, and let the next victim fend for himself.
 
Post the smiths name. I recall reading about this air rifle previously (I believe...).

Posting facts and names isn't slander or libel.

I don't hesitate to tell everyone exactly who has screwed me, I've cost some people tens of thousands in business and made sure they knew about it.


We would like the smiths name please!
 
A few years back I got burned by a guy who worked for a shop, in Peterborough Ontario, guys was suppose to modify a good .22 Benjamin classic. I wanted more than 500 fps, once the guy had my gun at his residence he seeded to disappear into thin air till I threatened to go to his work and spill the beans, conflict of interest. Anyhow when I picked it up he was so scared to face me man to man that he put the rifle in the foyer and said just pick it up I won't be around. I chronied it and it shot the same as when I bought it. I went back and threatened the guy with all kinds of bad #### like legal crap and going to his boss, fraud. He gave me my money back plus gas and travel time, told me never to return.

Ha like I would

That guy worked for the Peterborough outfit, it was in the industrial park and the dude had all kids of stickers on his blazer like Crossman etc. I am sure his employer was okay but this guy was a snake in the grass
 
A few years back I got burned by a guy who worked for a shop, in Peterborough Ontario, guys was suppose to modify a good .22 Benjamin classic. I wanted more than 500 fps, once the guy had my gun at his residence he seeded to disappear into thin air till I threatened to go to his work and spill the beans, conflict of interest. Anyhow when I picked it up he was so scared to face me man to man that he put the rifle in the foyer and said just pick it up I won't be around. I chronied it and it shot the same as when I bought it. I went back and threatened the guy with all kinds of bad #### like legal crap and going to his boss, fraud. He gave me my money back plus gas and travel time, told me never to return.

Ha like I would

That guy worked for the Peterborough outfit, it was in the industrial park and the dude had all kids of stickers on his blazer like Crossman etc. I am sure his employer was okay but this guy was a snake in the grass

Good to know, my girlfriend grew up in Peterborough and I'd sure hate to mistakenly deal with that individual.
 
No.
But I know who you may be thinking of, the individual from the North Bay area, perhaps?
Last I heard, he is no longer doing (bad) work on airguns, nor offering (bad) advice on the airgun forums.
Thank goodness for that !
 
Post the smiths name. I recall reading about this air rifle previously (I believe...).

Posting facts and names isn't slander or libel.

I don't hesitate to tell everyone exactly who has screwed me, I've cost some people tens of thousands in business and made sure they knew about it.


We would like the smiths name please!
It is the gun owner's responsibility to post the offender's name.

Since I was not a party to the transaction that resulted in the damage, I am not in a position to make make any statements against the offending party. Coming from me, a third party, that is nothing but here-say, and I am not about to make any public allegations against anyone, on the basis of here-say.

Some people would actually choose to eat a loss, in some cases of several hundred dollars, rather than risk being publicly browbeaten for "being the first" to post a bad report on someone who many forum members have (blindly) elevated to near sainthood. Those that had tried to post negative feedback in the past, have had their posits deleted, and received warnings, or were outright banned on the spot.
 
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What is the point of this thread? Don't go to bad gunsmiths?

Withholding the nameless and allegedly incompetent gunsmith's name is causing fits for the CGN High School girls who just have to know so they can tell others!
 
What is the point of this thread?
My intent was to try to encourage either the owner of the gun in my initial post, or perhaps other airgun owners who may have had similar experiences, to share the details of their own bad experience, and hopefully out the hack that they were screwed over by.
Perhaps also to remind folks that they should do their due diligence before sending their higher end airgun off to just anyone.
 
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