versamax tactical *legal* discussion

TinkerBell

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hey guys, let me pose some questions

1) everyone with the versamax is scared to run the gun as plugged for 5x 3.5" shells because the barrel is marked "3" inch, when did the barrel marking matter.... the reciever is made for 3.5" shells. the barrel is legally chambered in 3.5" shells and the reciever will take any 3.5" barrel remington sells.

so my point is the reciever is made for 3.5", it accepts 3.5" factory barrels..... why can we not plug it so it will hold 7x 2 3/4 or 5x 3.5" shells ?

not to stir the pot, but it makes no sense to limit this gun to just the maximum 3" allowed since everything but the barrel is geared up for 3.5"

thoughts.... especially since there are so many coming into the country and the fact they are modding sportsmen models to hold 7.. +1, +1 for nine rounds total.

my personal though.... grey area but still well within the law.
 
Interesting , I knew that the versa max is chambered for 3.5" but I didn't know that the barrel is marked only 3"
 
TinkerBell said:
only on the versamax tactical, even though the chamber specs out to 3.5"
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There's a longish story regarding this anomaly. The way I read it, Remington experienced some reports of failures with some ammo when the tube was loaded up with 3.5 inch shells. Apparently the weight caused some of the shells to distort under recoil. This happened just with some brands and only when the gun was loaded to the max with 3.5's. After their evaluation, the decision was taken to stamp the barrels of the tactical models as 3.0 even though the chamber is 3.5. That's the story and it makes as much sense as anything else. I have a Tactical 22 inch and load 6 + 1 when I'm in Canada. I'll never use larger shells for what I do and I do load 10 + 1 when I shoot in the US.
 
Interesting i just looked at a versa max the other day but honestly never noticed the barrel markers. The restrictions for shells in a semi must hamper 3gun it'd be a pain to have 8 targets and have to reload for the last 2.
 
Skin said:
Interesting i just looked at a versa max the other day but honestly never noticed the barrel markers. The restrictions for shells in a semi must hamper 3gun it'd be a pain to have 8 targets and have to reload for the last 2.
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The saving grace is that all shooters face the same obstacles. In the US, a lot of courses of fire are set up for nine or ten rounds to reflect the limits there. I use a "Plus two" extension cap on my VMT to even up with the rest.
 
mebiuspower said:
All fun and games until someone gets charged and had to be proved in court. How much is the extra round worth to you?
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what is there to prove in court, the reciever accepts ALL of the versamax barrels like a 26" 3.5" chambered barrel.... there is no legal"loophole"... a fact is a fact is a fact, so the extension SHOULD be plugged to accept 5.9 x 3.5" shells which is the largest shell/barrel combination the reciever will accept.

mine came plugged to only hold 5x 2 3/4" shells.... which pisses me off, it wil only hold 4x 3" shells..... i would have been happier if it held 6x 2 3/4" for a 6+1+1 load. but unfortunatly this is what I am now stuck with.
 
TinkerBell said:
what is there to prove in court, the reciever accepts ALL of the versamax barrels like a 26" 3.5" chambered barrel.... there is no legal"loophole"... a fact is a fact is a fact, so the extension SHOULD be plugged to accept 5.9 x 3.5" shells which is the largest shell/barrel combination the reciever will accept.

mine came plugged to only hold 5x 2 3/4" shells.... which pisses me off, it wil only hold 4x 3" shells..... i would have been happier if it held 6x 2 3/4" for a 6+1+1 load. but unfortunatly this is what I am now stuck with.
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You would have to "prove in court" whether your gun is stamped for 3" or 3.5". No amount of, "but it will still work with 3.5!" changes the fact that it's stamped for 3. You're SOL. Best thing I see is if it's worth that much to you, buy a barrel that's stamped with 3.5" on it.
 
I'm pretty sure (without looking up the exact wording) that semi auto shotgun mags are limited to 5 rounds of the largest shell the firearm is chambered for.
FACT: The barrel stamp is where you will find what the manufacture states the firearm is chambered for.
So, even if the barrel is cut with a 3.5" chamber, the barrel stamp clearly indicates the manufacturer is stating a 3" chamber. load at your own risk, I think you would lose this court battle.
 
Here's my take:

The receiver of my VMT is clearly designed to work with 3 1/2 shells. From that, any magazine attached to that receiver is obviously designed to hold 3 1/2" shells.

I believe the barrel markings are not relevant.

Why? Keep in mind the mag is designed for 3 1/2" and refer to the example of the 5 round .50 Beowulf magazines. Magazines which are designed for one cartridge and happen to work with more of another cartridge. That's the same situation you end up with when using 2 3/4" in a 3 1/2" magazine.

If barrel markings were relevant, than you would not be able to put 14 rounds of .223 in a mag designed for .50 Beowulf, in a gun stamped .223.
 
Canadian_Zuk said:
I'm pretty sure (without looking up the exact wording) that semi auto shotgun mags are limited to 5 rounds of the largest shell the firearm is chambered for.
FACT: The barrel stamp is where you will find what the manufacture states the firearm is chambered for.
So, even if the barrel is cut with a 3.5" chamber, the barrel stamp clearly indicates the manufacturer is stating a 3" chamber. load at your own risk, I think you would lose this court battle.
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All semi-auto centerfire magazines may not hold more than 5 of the cartridge they are designed or manufactured for. The chamber of the gun they are used in is not relevant.
 
and again, remember at any time i may install a barrell marked 3.5"..... a 26" sporting barrel for example

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let me put it this way, what capacity do i have to plug the magazine for when i own both 3" marked barrels and 3.5" marked barrels and use them on the same reciever ?
 
When I bought my extension from TacOrd, I was told his extensions were based on 5.9 3.5" shells, as, they are for the receiver which is designed for 3.5" shells. That's what the firearm is designed for. Full Stop.

As has been pointed out numerous times, where we'll get burned is that over-zealous cop, much like the type that belong to my range unfortunately, who'll say they don't care, arrest you, and let you fight it out in court.

Of course, the cops that are members at my range also point out they'll arrest you for having a shotgun properly trigger-locked out in the open in your bedroom as well, so, keep in mind, THAT is the issue we face.

Designed for is different from "chambered" for.

I'd actually like to see it go before the courts, but, believe me, even if it did, a lot of cops out there would still arrest you regardless.

Apparently they know best.

(Okay, I'll admit, I have an axe to grind regarding recent law-enforcement additions to the membership at my club who don't really seem to be on the same page....)

The fact remains, those running the 26 or 28" barrels are good to go. Those of us with the 22's know what is/isn't legal as best as we can, however, may have to pay for that decision in some way.
 
TinkerBell said:
let me put it this way, what capacity do i have to plug the magazine for when i own both 3" marked barrels and 3.5" marked barrels and use them on the same reciever ?
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But keep in mind you're "extending" the magazine, which requires removing the end cap that actually retains the barrel.

If you were to replace your stock magazine tube with the Carbon Arms one, it would be a more intresting question, as, it could be plugged to 5.9", whether there's a barrel installed or not....

That's a more interesting question.

We need someone to sell a nice 5.9" stainless magazine tube and a spacer to hold the barrel/foregrip on. I'd be all over that. I think that would put the issue to rest....
 
Stevo said:
All semi-auto centerfire magazines may not hold more than 5 of the cartridge they are designed or manufactured for. The chamber of the gun they are used in is not relevant.
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This all sounds reasonable but when it comes to firearms, "reasonable" goes out the window. Your theory or understanding of the facts may hold up in court. However I don't ever want it to get that far. That's why I'm betting that the average LEO or games officer is going to read the barrel stamp and in the case of my 22 inch VMT and do the math.
 
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