Hunting could be impacted by ruling

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Hunting could be impacted by ruling: ministry
0 by Monica Lamb-Yorski - Williams Lake Tribune
posted Jul 11, 2014 at 8:00 AMHunting privileges in management units 5-04 and 5-05 may be affected by the recent Supreme Court of Canada’s decision regarding the Tsilhqot’in Nation, the Ministry of Forests Lands and Natural Resource Operations warns in a recent notice to hunters on its website.

The province is analyzing the decision, the ministry notes, adding at this time hunters who have applied for a Limited Entry Hunting (LEH) Authorization for moose, mountain goat, or antler-less mule deer in Management Units (MUs) 5-04 or 5-05, will not be able to retrieve LEH draw results for these MUs.

Xeni Gwet’in (Nemiah)Chief Roger William said Thursday there will be short term and long term decisions on agreements for things like hunting.

“It’s a transition period and we may come to an agreement for the interim,” William said. “For certainty and transition there will be dates set aside, and negotiations to improve or look at all that again.”

William was in Williams Lake attending the first meeting of the Tsilhqot’in chiefs since the court decision was handed down, he said.

The ministry notice said hunters will be notified separately as soon as possible in writing of the draw results for these species in MUs 5-04 and 5-05.

Information related to how the decision may impact general open season and other hunting activities within MUs 5-04 and 5-05 will be posted on the fish and wildlife website as soon as possible.

The ministry of forests did not return the Tribune’s request for an interview by press time.
 
interesting stuff
I think we need to sit back and see what happens. perhaps hunters and first nations can come to some mutually beneficial outcomes.
the lake I fish a few times a week is on posted reserve land, no trespassing ect ect ect...... yet they happily allow us access year round for the awesome fishing this little known lake provides.
it doesn't always have to be a bad thing and who knows, perhaps the sky won't fall as the posters in threads like this often like to rant on about when it comes to aboriginal issues such as this.

I live in region 5 , 200meters from a reserve boundry
 
It already has impacted hunting, both residents (LEH results for that area are being held, not posted, and people are having to call in to see what's what) and Guide Outfitters (they have no idea if they can continue to hunt or not).
 
Either the Natives are in control of the land or the province is...if it's the gov, then I need an leh and have to pay to apply and pay for a license to hunt that species. That would be my permission to be there. If it's the natives then I guess I just need their permission and can cut the government and leh system out of the equation.
Can't have it both ways
 
Diablo7101 said:
Either the Natives are in control of the land or the province is...if it's the gov, then I need an leh and have to pay to apply and pay for a license to hunt that species. That would be my permission to be there. If it's the natives then I guess I just need their permission and can cut the government and leh system out of the equation.
Can't have it both ways
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Natives won't be happy till they have full control and have eradicated every bit of wildlife out there. Then they'll be back, blaming us . Look at the salmon fishery in the Fraser.

Grizz
 
horseman2 said:
This is from Global News today:

The Supreme Court of Canada has upheld the Ontario government’s right to permit industrial logging on a First Nation’s traditional lands.

The entire article may be available at:

http://globalnews.ca/news/1445421/t...erNational&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=2014
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This is actually a big deal because the treaty used with these Indians is sort of boilerplate used for a lot of treaty's in Ontario, Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta. I sometimes have a hard time with Supreme Court decisions but this is not one of those times.
 
Grizzly Adams said:
Natives won't be happy till they have full control and have eradicated every bit of wildlife out there. Then they'll be back, blaming us . Look at the salmon fishery in the Fraser.

Grizz
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Last I heard the DFO was in charge of managing salmon in the Fraser. Luckily they got ahold of it before those pesky natives ate them all before Europeans arrived.
 
a "small handful" of bad apples in the FN population in the lowermainland, mainly the Sto:Lo and the Cheam...... were overfishing the fraser a few years back but this general behavior is frowned up even by most members of the band.
I've dealt with the lower fraser fishery issues for near 2 decades and have been in the thick of it with video camera in hand and firearms in my face........
while the behaviors of some on the fishing grounds are deplorable, for the most part it is the farmers, ranchers, of the interior of BC along with every single mining and forestry company in BC , as well as jimmy pattison and weak ass politicians and DFO that have clearly taken our salmon down the road to disaster.

let's leave first nations out of it....... to make that claim is nothing but pure racism and lack of knowledge and facts.
 
horseman2 said:
This is from Global News today:

The Supreme Court of Canada has upheld the Ontario government’s right to permit industrial logging on a First Nation’s traditional lands.

The entire article may be available at:

http://globalnews.ca/news/1445421/t...erNational&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=2014
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This makes no sense. How could they one week give full land title claim to FN, then the next week claim a provincial government doesn't need to respect land right??? Eff sakes SCC, get your act together!!! f:P:
 
Dorian Gray said:
Yeah that's exactly what happened. Spot on mate. Keep up the good work. :cool:
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I'm not sure my sarcasm font was working. The comment by Grizzly Adams is blatantly racist and I wanted to make sure it didn't go unchallenged. 45ACPKING managed to do it without resorting to sarcasm. Allowing retention of sockeye on the Fraser is one of the stupidest decisions ever made by the DFO. People that would otherwise never visit the river show up for the slaughter and leave mountains of garbage behind. An entire generation of children are being taught that the fish have no intrinsic value.
 
firemachine69 said:
This makes no sense. How could they one week give full land title claim to FN, then the next week claim a provincial government doesn't need to respect land right??? Eff sakes SCC, get your act together!!! f:P:
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As I understand it there were very few treaties signed in BC with the Feds and this makes their claims different from the rest of the provinces.
 
skookumchuck said:
I'm not sure my sarcasm font was working. The comment by Grizzly Adams is blatantly racist and I wanted to make sure it didn't go unchallenged. 45ACPKING managed to do it without resorting to sarcasm. Allowing retention of sockeye on the Fraser is one of the stupidest decisions ever made by the DFO. People that would otherwise never visit the river show up for the slaughter and leave mountains of garbage behind. An entire generation of children are being taught that the fish have no intrinsic value.
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Fair enough man. I didn't get the sarcasm. My bad. :redface: I just have a hard time with the 2 different sets of standards we have in this country for people who are all Canadians first and foremost. And I don't necessarily see GA's comments as racist. In fact, most of what gets said has a very large colonel of truth to it. But people are discouraged to talk about it for fear of being labeled as a racist. Labelling anything even remotely negative against someone of colour is always considered racist first and the truth of the matter be damned. Do white guys poach? Yes. Do Indians poach? Yes (though they call it traditional hunting. Or course they always traditionally did it with model 70's and benelli shotguns for centuries before evil whitey came and stole the land right? :rolleyes:) As white guy's, we police our poachers. Indians condone it are even encouraged to keep it up by guilt filled white liberals. None of these comments are directed specifically to you. I'm just frustrated and venting.

Anyway, sorry for the rant. The Frazer is not my particular area of expertise and I should have just kept my mouth shut about it. But rest assured, there is a huge problem among Indians and Indian culture in this country. And if we keep condoning it, or worse, keep being indifferent to it, then we have no right to ##### and moan when things deteriorate further. And rest assured, they will. :cheers:
 
If you pay the First Nations will roll over in an instant, it's all about the money, sad but true
 
45ACPKING said:
a "small handful" of bad apples in the FN population in the lowermainland, mainly the Sto:Lo and the Cheam...... were overfishing the fraser a few years back but this general behavior is frowned up even by most members of the band.
I've dealt with the lower fraser fishery issues for near 2 decades and have been in the thick of it with video camera in hand and firearms in my face........
while the behaviors of some on the fishing grounds are deplorable, for the most part it is the farmers, ranchers, of the interior of BC along with every single mining and forestry company in BC , as well as jimmy pattison and weak ass politicians and DFO that have clearly taken our salmon down the road to disaster.

let's leave first nations out of it....... to make that claim is nothing but pure racism and lack of knowledge and facts.
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Thank you for stating the facts for me so this is not racist or ignorant based.
 
Jesus H. you people. Can't anyone express an opinion or discuss an issue without immediately being branded a F'N racist ???????

Honestly, some of you exhibit the same traits as the ANTI's. Grow up.
 
The Gitzan have already told fishermen to get off the Skeena and there is a blockade effect DFO/CCG in the gulf Islands, although that is more about a Shellfish lease issue.
 
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