What is the advantage of the super short 10/22 barrels that seem to be all the rage? Are they any more accurate than the good old 18" barrels? What are the advantages? Some of them are looking a little "funny" especially with exposed threads...or maybe I'm just out of touch with the new "cool". If you have one, please help explain this phenomena that is sweeping 10/22's and also other rimfire rifles.
What's With the Super Short 10/22 Barrels?
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I don't think it takes the full 18" to burn off all the powder, but I think 18" is a good all-purpose length because it's not too long.
That said, if you can get the same results out of a 16" barrel like this, then there's nothing wrong with it:
http://www.cabelas.ca/product/38496/remington-597-heavy-barrel-semi-auto-rifle
I haven't seen that many going less than 16", though.
That said, if you can get the same results out of a 16" barrel like this, then there's nothing wrong with it:
http://www.cabelas.ca/product/38496/remington-597-heavy-barrel-semi-auto-rifle
I haven't seen that many going less than 16", though.
The crown effects the accuracy mich more than barrel length. The shorter barrel helps with weight lose and or balance.
My personal experience is a 8" or less barrel is too loud to shoot without ear portection. There is also a difference between bolt and semi auto.
It all depends on how loud you can stand it and how short or long youd like the barrel.
Atleast with the 10/22 we have lots of choices.
My personal experience is a 8" or less barrel is too loud to shoot without ear portection. There is also a difference between bolt and semi auto.
It all depends on how loud you can stand it and how short or long youd like the barrel.
Atleast with the 10/22 we have lots of choices.
The optimal barrel length for 22lr to burn all its powder and achieve max performance is 16.25". Anything longer is a waste and you can go as short as 5.5" and maintain 90% performance of a 16" barrel.
Shorter barrels are handy and give up nothing as far as accuracy is concerned, there's no reason to run a long heavy barrel.
Tdc
Shorter barrels are handy and give up nothing as far as accuracy is concerned, there's no reason to run a long heavy barrel.
Tdc
What? the crown effects accuracy more than barrel length, that's a crazy statement that needs some literature to back it up.
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16 inch and shorter barrels are stupid loud. Will never have another shot barrel again. I like 18+ the 24" on my 452 lux is perfect. Very accurate and extremely quiet with subsonics Really quiet with high velocity as well.
Depends where you shoot them. Outside in the open they're quiet. Outside in the trees any length is loud. At the range inside or out it makes no difference as ear pro is both required and likely necessary with other shooters present.
Tdc
It's not just 10/22's, I have a short barrel fetish with all my firearms: DAR 10/22 (12"), SR-22 (8"), Wingmaster (12"), LMT AR-15 upper (10.5") and CMMG .22 upper (9.2"). I also used to have a 12 Ga Backpacker (12") and a Dlask 870 12 Ga (8.5"). I can't explain it, I just have a love for short barrelled rifles and shotguns. If pushed for an explanation I guess I would say: "because I can..." 
Really? I guess my 5" barrelled .22 pistol would really annoy you then. I will admit that the noise from my 10.5" 5.56mm AR is pretty obnoxious, but a .22 in any barrel is hardly what I would consider "stupid loud".
Excercise your Google-Fu, young padawan. There is plenty of research out there to back that up.
99% wrong.
The biggest affect of the crown on accuracy is in allowing the gas to escape evenly around the bullet as it exits the barrel. Even a slight difference in pressure in one spot will start the beginnings of a wobble as the bullet leaves the barrel. The spin should self stabilize the round, to an extent, but a wobble will be present. This wobble will grow the further the bullet travels downrange, until the wobble overcomes the gyroscopic effect of the spinning bullet, and it begins to tumble. When you see a keyholed rounds in paper, this is usually the cause.
If the crown has a burr that actually protrudes into the pat of the barrel, you aren't going to hit the broadside of a barn. But this is actually far more uncommon than a poorly (unevenly) crowned barrel (and they can come from the factory like this), or one that has become uneven through heavy use or damage. And if you damage the crown in a way that it protrudes, generally speaking a few rounds through will wear off the slight protrusion, and then your back to an uneven crown allowing gas to escape unevenly, which (see above).
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It sure would. Last time I was at the range and a guy showed up with an ar with a break I left due to noise.
When I had a 16" didn't matter where it was it was to loud for a 22lr. But to each their own.
Here's a couple of "good" examples. Both look pretty fine in my opinion.
I "borrowed" this off a guy who has this rifle for sale on EE. If I had the cash, this would be mine! A fine example of a short barrel with plenty of "cool".
These are the original short barrel 10/22's. I hear they're not being made any more.
I "borrowed" this off a guy who has this rifle for sale on EE. If I had the cash, this would be mine! A fine example of a short barrel with plenty of "cool".
These are the original short barrel 10/22's. I hear they're not being made any more.
SBR's are all about handling, aesthetics and consistency... there are plenty of performance reasons for SBR's... the powder burn rate always comes up in these conversations, as does improved accuracy potential with shorter, "stiffer" barrels... and it is true that the optimal length is around 14" with regard to maximum velocity, there is much data to back that up... but what gets missed many times is the standard deviation actually narrows in shorter barrels... the theory is that the "friction" that occurs in barrels longer than 14" is the biggest factor (outside of manufacturing tolerances) affecting velocity spread and therefore accuracy. In general, the longer the barrel, the greater the friction, the greater the friction, the greater the standard deviation.
For me it has always been about the handling... OP if you are asking this question I have to think that you have never tried an SBR... give it a try and see what you think.
For me it has always been about the handling... OP if you are asking this question I have to think that you have never tried an SBR... give it a try and see what you think.
Hoytcanon, that all makes sense, but if that were completely true, you'd expect to see 14" barrels on ALL 50 to 100yd benchrest rifles? Longer range rifles (300-1000yds) would need the extra barrel length to wring all the velocity potential out of the cartridge and still remain as flat shooting as possible.
In reality, the PPC's that are winning the 100yd contest all seem to have longer, normal barrels. Even the benchrest 22lr winners (most Anchutz's from what I can tell in the photos) seem to have regular length barrels and not super short ones. If accuracy was the issue and the super short barrels are inherently more accurate, you'd expect to nothing but super short barrels in the winners column.
In reality, the PPC's that are winning the 100yd contest all seem to have longer, normal barrels. Even the benchrest 22lr winners (most Anchutz's from what I can tell in the photos) seem to have regular length barrels and not super short ones. If accuracy was the issue and the super short barrels are inherently more accurate, you'd expect to nothing but super short barrels in the winners column.
My guess is the longer barrel helps to spin the bullet. Im also guessing its a marketing issue also. It seems most guns are 18.5"-24" I don see very amny 28"+ barrels. Atleast for rimfires. Im thinking the balance would be an issue and torque on the receiver would be lot with a long barrel. Thus why there are adjustable Vblocks. Makes since why some turn to 16" and under barrels.
IMO 16" carbon or aluminum barrel is a great why to lose weight but keep the length.
For those thinking a 8" or less barrel isnt loud. Question, do you shoot it without plugs? If not, how long is the barrel you use without plugs?
Its a personal choice and its your hearing not mine, I just like being able to hear my kids and one day grandkids hopefully.
IMO 16" carbon or aluminum barrel is a great why to lose weight but keep the length.
For those thinking a 8" or less barrel isnt loud. Question, do you shoot it without plugs? If not, how long is the barrel you use without plugs?
Its a personal choice and its your hearing not mine, I just like being able to hear my kids and one day grandkids hopefully.
