I do remember something for grouse a long time ago, but I am pretty sure the regulations were changed a long time ago to simplify the small game section....
Is a .375 H & H too much cartridge for moose
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I do remember something for grouse a long time ago, but I am pretty sure the regulations were changed a long time ago to simplify the small game section....
tylerjwitty
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we use 00 buck balls for pop shots . 30 cal
A few of you made comments about recoil from the 375H&H not being as SHARP as some 300s or 338s. What causes it to be smoother?
Found a recoil chart. http://forum.gon.com/showthread.php?t=56996
Looks like it's not near as bad as 3.5 Turkey loads ...
Found a recoil chart. http://forum.gon.com/showthread.php?t=56996
Looks like it's not near as bad as 3.5 Turkey loads ...
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In support of the big bullet little meat damage theory I submit . . .
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The cartridge was a .375 Ultra, and the load was a 270 gr Hornady IL (I didn't have any cast at the time) over 18 grs of Unique for about 1200 fps. The breast meat was completely undamaged. Now someone may point out that .22 rimfire ammo weighs much less than .375 Ultra, and that for equal weight you can carry much more. I won't argue the fact, but a few rounds of .375 Ultra small game loads in my pocket are much lighter than a .22 rifle, when its necessary to carry a centerfire rifle anyway.
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I have a Savage model 116 SS Alaskan Brush Hunter in 375 Ruger (virtually identical to the H+H round ballistically) with a 20" bbl that weighs 7.6 pounds.
If you place your shot the moose will be anchored to the POI and no tracking a wounded animal thru cedar swamps full of freezing water and mud right up to the family jewels level.
Shot placement is always the most critical factor regardless of caliber but this heavy hitter 270 grain bulet pushing over 4900 ft-lbs of ME is more forgiving of angling away shots thru brush than the 308s, 30-06s, 300 Win Mags normally used for moose.
The 270 grain PSP I use is still pushing lots of ft-lbs out to 500 yards for that occassional long shot at moose standing on the edges of the thousands of acres of timber clear cuts in Northern Ontario where I hunt.
If you place your shot the moose will be anchored to the POI and no tracking a wounded animal thru cedar swamps full of freezing water and mud right up to the family jewels level.
Shot placement is always the most critical factor regardless of caliber but this heavy hitter 270 grain bulet pushing over 4900 ft-lbs of ME is more forgiving of angling away shots thru brush than the 308s, 30-06s, 300 Win Mags normally used for moose.
The 270 grain PSP I use is still pushing lots of ft-lbs out to 500 yards for that occassional long shot at moose standing on the edges of the thousands of acres of timber clear cuts in Northern Ontario where I hunt.
From the Fish & Wildlife Conservation Act 1997:
"Proof of hunting or trapping
109. In a prosecution under this Act in respect of hunting or trapping,
(a) proof that a person possessed, in an area usually inhabited by wildlife, a firearm, trap, decoy or other hunting or trapping device, a ferret or a specially protected raptor or other bird of prey, is proof, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, that the person was hunting or trapping, as the case may be;"
In support of the big bullet little meat damage theory I submit . . .
The cartridge was a .375 Ultra, and the load was a 270 gr Hornady IL (I didn't have any cast at the time) over 18 grs of Unique for about 1200 fps. The breast meat was completely undamaged. Now someone may point out that .22 rimfire ammo weighs much less than .375 Ultra, and that for equal weight you can carry much more. I won't argue the fact, but a few rounds of .375 Ultra small game loads in my pocket are much lighter than a .22 rifle, when its necessary to carry a centerfire rifle anyway.
way to go Mike. especially those days when 22lrs are getting harder to get lol ...
"I swung around upon hearing the telltale snort behind me. There he was, a mere 20 yards away peering at me through the willows with those eyes that looked small black marbles due to the sheer size of his head. I brought my .375 RUM to shoulder just as he initiated his charge. I had practiced for this moment ad nauseum, and my muscles had the "memory" to co-ordinate everything perfectly. Interestingly I wasn't scared - I knew I had the skills and I knew the 270gr IL would stop him. All of those feelings of self confidence evaporated upon the sound of the shot....DARNED PTARMIGAN LOAD!!!!"
sir_springer
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I've always thought a Ruger No. 1 would be extremely cool to own.
Is a 375 H&H too much gun for moose? Certainly more than needed, but the moose won't really know the difference.
However, it's not a bad idea if you're hunting moose in griz country...but then a single shot ain't such a good idea in that circumstance.
300 Win Mag is tons of gun for moose, and probably more been killed with a 30.06 than anything else.
It's ultimately whatever blows your hair back, long as the recoil doesn't affect your shooting when the moment arrives.
FWIW
Is a 375 H&H too much gun for moose? Certainly more than needed, but the moose won't really know the difference.
However, it's not a bad idea if you're hunting moose in griz country...but then a single shot ain't such a good idea in that circumstance.
300 Win Mag is tons of gun for moose, and probably more been killed with a 30.06 than anything else.
It's ultimately whatever blows your hair back, long as the recoil doesn't affect your shooting when the moment arrives.
FWIW
1899 you made my day ....
Johnn Peterson
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Good one.
That's funny!
It also reminds me of hunting with a friend who had light loads worked up for grouse...very light loads that were worked up in his basement using the same actual hunting bullet with a few grains of fast powder... on the cool morning hunt he had occasion to shoot a grouse... click! puff! What happened? The jacketed bullet made it to the muzzle and stopped with the point out about 3/8's of an inch. The remaining gases passed out the chamber with the lack of expansion of the case. Now he was in a dilemma.. he had no means to remove the bullet until we got back home... thankfully he did not see a buck.
tylerjwitty
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Northern Ontario
Has anyone used black powder to created a grouse round ?
tylerjwitty
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Northern Ontario
I figure black horn is fairly clean and slow . I have never used trail boss. What is its main use ?
Powder puff loads for cowboy action shooting.
Finally got to fire off a couple quick rounds today; this one has a Limbsaver Mercury recoil reducer.
It has practically nil recoil; reminds me of my 9.3 x 57 K98. Is this the norm? Was using Remington factory loads; unknown grainage, but looks like a lighter bullet.
It's a pussycat to shoot!
