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Right now I am storing my handguns trigger locked in a locked filing cabinet type drawer with the ammo locked in another drawer. i may start to run out of both room and trigger locks if the collection continues to grow. Would something like this satisfy the safe storage requirements without needing trigger locks?

http://www.amazon.com/First-Alert-2583DF-Resistant-Executive/dp/B001UHO4Z4/ref=pd_cp_hi_0
 
RedApe said:
the locked cabinet is the same legal standard as that combo safe.
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This part is correct.

They both meet what was ruled in court as a safe under Canadian law and as such require no trigger locks.

RedApe said:
you still need a trigger lock. the locked cabinet is the same legal standard as that combo safe.
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Care to post up this mythical legal standard?

Shawn
 
What?.... Are you suggesting you need to trigger lock a restricted firearm that is secured in a safe? That's not how i read the regs...

Restricted and prohibited firearms
•Attach a secure locking device so the firearms cannot be fired and lock them in a cabinet, container or room that is difficult to break into; or
•Lock the firearms in a vault, safe or room that was built or modified specifically to store firearms safely.
•For automatic firearms, also remove the bolts or bolt carriers (if removable) and lock them in a separate room that is difficult to break into.

It is the "or" at the end of the first line that matters here from what i can see

What I'm doing now satisfies line 1 ......I believe what I am proposing to do would satisfy the "or" that is described in line 2.
 
sailor723 said:
What?.... Are you suggesting you need to trigger lock a restricted firearm that is secured in a safe? That's not how i read the regs...

Restricted and prohibited firearms
•Attach a secure locking device so the firearms cannot be fired and lock them in a cabinet, container or room that is difficult to break into; or
•Lock the firearms in a vault, safe or room that was built or modified specifically to store firearms safely.
•For automatic firearms, also remove the bolts or bolt carriers (if removable) and lock them in a separate room that is difficult to break into.



It is the "or" at the end of the first line that matters here from what i can see

What I'm doing now satisfies line 1 ......I believe what I am proposing to do would satisfy the "or" that is described in line 2.
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my bad I missed that or part.
 
sailor723 said:
What?.... Are you suggesting you need to trigger lock a restricted firearm that is secured in a safe? That's not how i read the regs...

Restricted and prohibited firearms
•Attach a secure locking device so the firearms cannot be fired and lock them in a cabinet, container or room that is difficult to break into; or
•Lock the firearms in a vault, safe or room that was built or modified specifically to store firearms safely.
•For automatic firearms, also remove the bolts or bolt carriers (if removable) and lock them in a separate room that is difficult to break into.

It is the "or" at the end of the first line that matters here from what i can see

What I'm doing now satisfies line 1 ......I believe what I am proposing to do would satisfy the "or" that is described in line 2.
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You are correct.

Although it is not federal precedent the courts have ruled that any steel box that locks is a safe. As the firearms act and the CCC don't define what a safe is the dictionary definition is used. The case in question was in Ont and school lockers with pad locks were ruled safes under the firearms act.

Shawn
 
shawn said:
You are correct.

Although it is not federal precedent the courts have ruled that any steel box that locks is a safe. As the firearms act and the CCC don't define what a safe is the dictionary definition is used. The case in question was in Ont and school lockers with pad locks were ruled safes under the firearms act.

Shawn
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I'm aware of that case. AFAIK it was in Ont provincial court and as such does not set a legal precedent (even in Ontario much less the rest of Canada) If the crown had appealed the decision (and lost) it would be a different story.

My personal opinion is that the guy was lucky to get off and dodged a bullet. There is no guarantee that the same set of facts, presented to a different judge today, wouldn't result in a guilty verdict. The law is somewhat vague and the best defense against an unsafe storage charge is to be able to show reasonable and good faith efforts to comply. I know people who trigger lock their guns in a safe and lock up their ammo in a different part of the house.
 
sailor723 said:
This is over 6 cubic feet...or do you mean a safe six feet tall? I don't think I've ever even seen anything like that!....other than in an office (I'm also not looking to spent 2/3/4K nor do I have anywhere to put something that big)
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Yes the taller the better so you don't have to be on your knees most of the time..
 
sailor723 said:
Right now I am storing my handguns trigger locked in a locked filing cabinet type drawer with the ammo locked in another drawer. i may start to run out of both room and trigger locks if the collection continues to grow. Would something like this satisfy the safe storage requirements without needing trigger locks?

http://www.amazon.com/First-Alert-2583DF-Resistant-Executive/dp/B001UHO4Z4/ref=pd_cp_hi_0
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In my opinion a filing cabinet typically would not meet the "difficult to break into rule" pretty simple to bend a cabinet draw and get inside or cut/smash a hole in the side. If someone broke into the cabinet you would have a hard time arguing it was OK.
 
grinder08 said:
In my opinion a filing cabinet typically would not meet the "difficult to break into rule" pretty simple to bend a cabinet draw and get inside or cut/smash a hole in the side. If someone broke into the cabinet you would have a hard time arguing it was OK.
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You must think that gun cases are a no go then too right? There is no way its harder to break into a gun case than a filing cabinet.

Shawn
 
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Anyone have an opinion if the locked door of your home and a trigger lock meets intent of the first line? After all, if the locked door is something that I consider a safeguard for my person does it not make sense that that provides an adequate layer of protection?

Awhile back I saw Liberty safes at Peavey for around $750 plus tax that looked pretty skookum.
 
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