Dominion-marked Martini Enfield PHOTO LINKS

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I came across a Martini Enfield in one of my travels and am wondering what it's approximately worth. 1882, .50-ish calibre smoothbore with cleaning rod, original wood, some pitting, and Dominion mark I believe. Butt has nothing, wood had nothing I could find. Bayonet lug still on it.
 
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Need more information and some good photos to be able to offer any kind of opinion on value .....

If it is an 1882-dated Mark III it would be a Martini-Henry (.... even if it is marked "Enfield", that is simply the name of the small arms factory where it was produced ....) originally chambered for the .45 caliber Martini-Henry cartridge, usually designated as the ".577/.450" because it had the same size base as the earlier .577 caliber Snider-Enfield cartridge, but a somewhat longer case body necked down to .45 caliber -

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A "Martini-Enfield" is a somewhat different animal .... same action type, but chambered and barreled for the .303 cartridge .....

If this rifle has been converted to a smoothbore, that would adversely affect its value .... can you confirm that is the case?
 
Upon reviewing the photos, I'd say this piece is indeed a smoothbore, because it has a simple fixed rear sight of the type used on British military-pattern firearms of that era which had been bored smooth for use with buckshot loads by prison guards, riot squads and the like .... Here is a photo of the sight on one such altered Martini-Henry -

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For what it may be worth, here is the description of the Mark II Martini-Henry buckshot cartridge from the British War Department's "List of Changes in War Matériel and of Patterns of Military Stores" -

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For comparison, this is what the standard elevation-adjustable Martini-Henry rifle rear sight looks like -

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Excellent! These old guns are a heck of a lot more interesting than plastic zombie killers. Am I reading the 'D' stamp as 'Dominion' correctly?

What would the value be on something like this?
 
I see the D mark ..... It's almost certainly .577 calibre.

Am I reading the 'D' stamp as 'Dominion' correctly?
What would the value be on something like this?

Actually, it can't be .577 caliber - or in any event is extremely unlikely to have been bored out that much - since the outside diameter of a Martini-Henry barrel at the muzzle is only about .700" reaming it out to that extent would leave barrel walls only about .015" thick at the muzzle end!

The "D" mark is not a Canadian military mark, and does not denote "Dominion" that I am aware of. If you are referring to the "D" marked on the right side of the "nocksform" (the swelled, flat-topped area of the barrel immediately in front of the receiver) that is almost certainly an Armourer's mark of some sort. My references indicate that a D stamped on a barrel denoted "new standard of finish for bore" - i.e. it could signify that, prior to being converted to a smoothbore, this rifle may have had its bore and rifling "refreshed" because of rusting or pitting in the bore (with the mark remaining from that process), or it could refer to the ultimate conversion to a smoothbore.

The early Canadian property mark you may be thinking of was in fact the letters "DC" (denoting "Dominion of Canada") which normally looked like this, and was stamped on the butt of the wooden stock on military rifles -

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Occasionally one sees a "DC" mark without the diamond-shaped border around it ....

To be honest, I have no idea of value of such a smoothbored Martini-Henry in the condition evident from the photos - there isn't much demand for them, since collectors and shooters generally want something with good, intact rifling, in original military configuration. If it is fully functional, I'd guess maybe $300 or so ....
 
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Thanks for the information -- learn something new every day. Not sure where my head was at because in retro, it basically must be as you say.

It's fully functional and pretty tight over all. Thanks again for the information.
 
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