I hate my Glock

fdc said:
You do come across as a big turd who is proud of it. Way to go.

Perhaps you should be trying to come across as someone who is helpful? You are dead wrong about the angle issue. Do you own a 1911 platform or perhaps an M&P, CZ? Have you gripped your Glock and one of these guns at the same time? What did you find out? I really want to know.

I agree that training is key. I agree that the fundamentals work on all firearms regardless of construction and geometry.

My experience is that I shoot high with my Glock but the groups are just as tight as with my other pistols. I know what I have to do to sort this out because I have had training. Wow, I guess I should be brow beating other members and acting like a giant arse because I've taken courses.

Or not.

Why not tell us about all of your fantastic courses TDC. Perhaps even show us a participant award? My point? Be helpful. Lose your BS attitude shooter. You'll be a better human being for it.
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Are you two related?
 
Steel355 said:
I asked what the the problem could be.
A simple answer would have been, it's a striker fired gun and I would need more trigger time with it to get use to the trigger pull.
I'm assuming most people on this forum are just out to have fun with their firearms. I don't carry one for a living so I don't see the need for professional training.

I'm on this forum because I know there are shooter here with years more experience then me, and I come here looking for guidance but holy crap some people have bad attitudes.

I have 5 hand guns, 4 of which I shoot well, some better then others but that I assume is due to quality. (I shot my CZ better then my Norinco for example)
So when I purchase what I think is a good quality gun (equal to my CZ) and I shoot it like a blind monkey, yea I am going to question what's going on.
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Again, stop with the excuses, the quality of the firearm has little to do with your ability to print groups. I've shot a fair number of Norcs including toks and can make them all dance. Your anecdotal evidence that most of your guns shoot except your Glock is again a classic complaint from someone who doesn't know what they don't know, and its not really factual either. I'm presuming you have no professional experience as you indicate you "don't see the need for professional training". Lets dispel some myths right here. Training is NEEDED for EVERYONE who shoots. You don't need to carry for a living to reap the benefits of professional training. Take a BASIC course that focuses on fundamentals, you don't need a CQB or low light course. Your attitude towards training speaks volumes, and its really no surprise you can't shoot a Glock. I'm sorry if this offends you or others, but I'm not here to host a pity party. Shooting is a learned skill and a perishable one at that. Take some training, practice and stop wasting time and money trying to "figure out" how to shoot. Its not magic, its about the fundamentals and your ability to consistently apply them on demand.

As for questioning your results, that's a good step to improving. What you and most others need to do is question themselves before they question the gear. If an infinite number of other people are running what you own and doing it well, then what do you think the chances are that its you that needs work? Again, people need to put their ego and pride aside and seek professional training. I say this having been in the same position you and others are. I thought I could shoot, what I could do was function the gun. I learned to shoot the gun with the help of a professional who explained the difference between what I need to do and what I was doing. Its nothing personal, its just straight up honesty, most here can't shoot for sh*t and that's ok. Just don't get upset when your performance quickly plateaus or your search for an "accurate" gun seems to never end.

Armored Metal said:
TDC does know what he's talking about and I agree with him.

However, he knows very little about how to share his knowledge!
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I disagree. I don't sugar coat it, I cut to the chase and call it as I see it. The vast majority of people haven't an educated clue as to what they're doing with a firearm, especially handguns. People ask for opinions and advice, then take it with a grain of salt and grow some thicker skin.

TDC

ETA: The grip angle is indeed 111 degrees. from what I can find, a 1911 is 118 degrees. The Glock grip is designed to keep your wrist locked to provide for a more natural and stable grip. But what would I know, I'm one of the few people who can shoot a Glock, or any other pistol..
 
TDC said:
Its entirely you that sucks. Learn to shoot, get some quality professional training and practice.

The vast majority of glock haters I've ever seen have no clue what trigger control is nor do they understand the fundamentals. The glock trigger or any da trigger for that matter do not cover up bad form like the sa trigger on say a 1911.
This bs about grip angle and texture, weight, shape, what month it was made etc etc is just bs excuses from people who have no idea what they're doing.

Tdc
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He strikes again
 
Still alive said:
Are you two related?
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Not at all, just a case of "spoon full of medicine". This guy comes across as a bully and bullies don't get the civil treatment as they don't offer it up to others. Not a partiucularly helpful bully either... I want to know about all of his "training". Many of us have had training and still need to hone our skills. Not TDC, he's had training and now he gets to treat others like crap because he's had training. Sorry that's just sad.

Finishing school should be on his to do list of training. It really would improve his game.
 
fdc said:
You do come across as a big turd who is proud of it. Way to go.

Perhaps you should be trying to come across as someone who is helpful? You are dead wrong about the angle issue. Do you own a 1911 platform or perhaps an M&P, CZ? Have you gripped your Glock and one of these guns at the same time? What did you find out? I really want to know.

I agree that training is key. I agree that the fundamentals work on all firearms regardless of construction and geometry.

My experience is that I shoot high with my Glock but the groups are just as tight as with my other pistols. I know what I have to do to sort this out because I have had training. Wow, I guess I should be brow beating other members and acting like a giant arse because I've taken courses.

Or not.

Why not tell us about all of your fantastic courses TDC. Perhaps even show us a participant award? My point? Be helpful. Lose your BS attitude shooter. You'll be a better human being for it.
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you're the one puffing up his chest. I know I can shoot, and I know most others can't. Its not a secret, its a fact. Training is the difference coupled with lots of practice.

If you're shooting high its because your sight alignment is wrong, that takes more practice to solve.

I'm not brow beating anyone. I'm answering questions pertaining to an individuals problems. You call it brow beating, others call it being an a$$hole but the rest of us call it being honest. I'm not here to make friends, save feelings or hold hands. If you or anyone else gets offended at the facts I post then feel free to dispute them, but I suggest you do your homework and stop taking everything as a personal attack, life must be really tough for some of you of this stuff gets you worked up.

As for my credentials, I've trained with SIG ARMS academy, for concealed carry, advanced concealed carry, Rangemaster, and defensive shotgun. I've also trained at Tactical Response for fighting pistol and intermediate distance fighting rifle. What are your credentials?

TDC
 
TDC said:
I disagree. I don't sugar coat it, I cut to the chase and call it as I see it. The vast majority of people haven't an educated clue as to what they're doing with a firearm, especially handguns. People ask for opinions and advice, then take it with a grain of salt and grow some thicker skin.
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It's not about sugar coating it, cutting to the chase or thick skin....It's all about knowing how to act with others.

Just like the vast majority of people that don't have an educated clue as to what they're doing with a firearm, You TDC, don't have an educated clue as to how to be sociable and how to behave with others.

I know you won't care but I actually feel sad for you Man.
 
Ok, FDC and TDC, let's kiss and make up. We are all on the same side here afterall.
This is a forum for education and information from and for gun lovers. The OP just received about 60 posts of advice ranging from trigger jobs to changing guns and taking courses. There is nothing more we can say but for him to decide on his course of action. Once a person loses confidence in something, it may be difficult to get it back even if he is shown that what he believes to be true is false.
OP, please don't give up on your Glock. I've owned mine for over 20 years. The only thing I've had to do to it is change out the night sights as the older ones went dim and , now, the new guide rod as the old plastic one started warping. It has never had a failure of any kind. When my eyesight was better, I could hit a tennis ball with it at 25 yds.
Get some snap caps and practice dry firing your Glock. Practice with purpose and concentrate on your sight picture. I've noticed that with the Glock trigger, you really have to focus on squeezing it straight back, not a pull or a push. If you do it right, the front sight shudders a bit when it goes "boing". If you do it wrong, the front sight actually moves! Keep practicing the right feel when you squeeze, then transfer the feeling to live rds. You may notice a difference. Good luck.
 
With TDC, you get the truth as he sees it, and if he's wrong, he'll be the first to admit it. His advice is usually correct and to the point. If it's advice you want, his is usually one of the better ones to get. If it's sensitivity and empathy...not so much. Every CGNer contributes to the best of their abilities, and I'm glad we have people of all stripes here. Makes for a real community and not some fan boy training academy.

If anyone finds his tone too rough, I'm sure there are plenty of starving therapists in your area who would be thankful for your business.
 
Steel355 said:
I have 5 hand guns, 4 of which I shoot well, some better then others but that I assume is due to quality. (I shot my CZ better then my Norinco for example)
So when I purchase what I think is a good quality gun (equal to my CZ) and I shoot it like a blind monkey, yea I am going to question what's going on.
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I am new firearms and all this. But what it sounds like is you're not familiar with your Glock. I read you've fired 500+ rounds in it. And I'm betting that is no where near the amount you've fired with your other hand guns. All I am saying is shoot it some more, get familiar with it. I'm not a fan of "Practice makes perfect" but if you practice I guarantee you'll do better. Professional Training can't make it worse.

Local
 
Oh girls!

Stop with the bickering, already.

I don't like Glock either. I've never even held one. But the Glock fan-boys are just too much.
It's unfair, and I'm probably missing out on a good deal because of it - but I can't seem to muster the courage to even give it a serious look.

Again, I mostly chalk it up to personal experience. The most outrageous and sometimes offensive club I've had the misfortune of meeting is that of all the rejects from GlockLoveSchool.

Sure, most of them are articulate and smart - but all the really BIG doozies are in there too.

TDC comes across as being one, but I've never met him in person.

The 1911. That's all you need IMHO
 
Wretched said:
Oh girls!

Stop with the bickering, already.

I don't like Glock either. I've never even held one. But the Glock fan-boys are just too much.
It's unfair, and I'm probably missing out on a good deal because of it - but I can't seem to muster the courage to even give it a serious look.
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Again, I mostly chalk it up to personal experience. The most outrageous and sometimes offensive club I've had the misfortune of meeting is that of all the rejects from GlockLoveSchool.

Sure, most of them are articulate and smart - but all the really BIG doozies are in there too.

TDC comes across as being one, but I've never met him in person.

The 1911. That's all you need IMHO
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Your input= zero.

Thank you for playing.
 
Still alive said:
Not knocking 1911s. Love them for years. But if they were all we needed, we'll still be driving Model Ts! Variety is the spice of life, my friend. Open and free your mind!
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Well you have a point there, but by the same token - No, I do not own several different makes of cars just for the variety of it.
 
I found my poa/poi changed when I flipped flopped guns. Your not gonna no matter who says shoot each gun 100% the same. Grabbing it the first time after trying something else.

But if hes pulling 2-3" with his CZ and tighter with his 45. Its a clear cut case that YES he can shoot and its just the odd angle of the Glock that hes not used to.
 
bollox said:
Your quote, not mine but you "chalk it up to personal experience" but have "never held a Glock" but you are giving your take on them.

Great, thanks!
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Yes, I chalk up to personal experience based on the interactions I've had with certain people whom are Glock fan-boys.
You see, I don't even want to be associated with a brand that is represented by knuckle heads.

I also clearly state that it is a biased opinion (in that I have never even held one, and it is probably unfair, and that I'm probably shortchanging myself the experience).

You're doing a pretty good job of upholding that bias for me.

Thanks for playing..
 
Wretched said:
Well you have a point there, but by the same token - No, I do not own several different makes of cars just for the variety of it.
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Your point taken. If money was an issue and/ or you were only allowed one gun in your life., then a 1911 is a very good choice. (Hey, sounds like a good thread to start!) but most people on this site have more than one gun. Guns and associated costs are a wee bit cheaper than the cost of owning and running a car. Easier to have 10 different guns than 10 different cars.
 
In my experience (actually owning, using, competing and "holding" unlike some others) I find Glocks to be very difficult to shoot for novices, then as people get more and more experienced they become much better with them. (Getting in tune with the fundamentals of HG shooting)

I find Glocks very similar to DA revolvers, the people who can shoot them well, can shoot any handgun well.
 
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