In the Market for an AR-10(.308 AR), best bang for the buck?

Epoxy7 said:
Definately an interesting one. I love the premise of a non restricted AR accurate semi auto. I have no doubt it will be a decent design and build. But there are too many unknowns as it's only in prototype. Also I was a bit concerned with the initial indications of no dust shield etc. Took some convincing on that thread. The idea that other than the AR no other rifles came to mind also made me think that decision wasn't thought through. STG44, AR, PS90 all have external dust shields. Earlier designs all have a cover which also keeps crud out. Swiss Arms PE90, SVT40, SKS, anything HK etc. The only rifles that came to mind without a dust shield were the DPMS LR308 target and some slick sided AR15 rifles for entry models. But that was sorted out I think for the new ATR rifle. Again it's wait and see.

My ultimate sport rifle would be what ATR described for their rifle, only in a bullpup. 20" SS match barrel, DI semi auto, AR trigger or match grade of another style, easy to get mags and where applicable AR furniture. This would be for a hunting/target/varmint semi auto.
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Rick posted the CAD drawings and some additional details in his section

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1116915-The-Modern-Hunter-Rifle

I think that if he gets a high amount of pre-orders in, the price could come down some, but as it is it's advertised as being ~$3,000 or so.
 
Haha this did a little more than answer my question lol. Sorry but you couldn't pay me to own a XCR. That's just my opinion, don't ban me to hell. But anyways guys I ended up getting a bolt 308, gotta start saving again for a AR 10!
 
BenL said:
Rick posted the CAD drawings and some additional details in his section

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1116915-The-Modern-Hunter-Rifle

I think that if he gets a high amount of pre-orders in, the price could come down some, but as it is it's advertised as being ~$3,000 or so.
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I saw that! However I doubt the price will come down. If it becomes really popular I suspect the feeling will be they aren't charging enough. That being said of the AR gets removed from the restricted by name classs then things will get very interesting. Short of that I wouldn't count on prices going lower for the new rifle. I wish it would but I'll believe it when I see it.
 
Epoxy7 said:
I saw that! However I doubt the price will come down. If it becomes really popular I suspect the feeling will be they aren't charging enough. That being said of the AR gets removed from the restricted by name classs then things will get very interesting. Short of that I wouldn't count on prices going lower for the new rifle. I wish it would but I'll believe it when I see it.
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That would be a total game changer. It would take a while for prices to come down, but as the market opens up it'll get only better for us.
 
Where is this info coming from leading people to believe the AR may get removed from the restricted list? I'd like to read into this as I now own 4 AR-15's and an AR-10.

I can't see how they will ever be able to do it unless they also drop the barrel length restriction. This would also be a step in the right direction but I'm skeptical.
 
cr5 said:
Where is this info coming from leading people to believe the AR may get removed from the restricted list? I'd like to read into this as I now own 4 AR-15's and an AR-10.

I can't see how they will ever be able to do it unless they also drop the barrel length restriction. This would also be a step in the right direction but I'm skeptical.
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there were rumours when Blaney brought out the "Common Sense Firearms Act" that among other things, the AR would no longer be 'restricted by name'.

among its products, colt makes the mt6700- 20" hbar.

it's just the MAJORITY of AR's have a barrel of less than 18.5". after all, if it's going to be restricted ANYWAY....
 
cr5 said:
Where is this info coming from leading people to believe the AR may get removed from the restricted list? I'd like to read into this as I now own 4 AR-15's and an AR-10.

I can't see how they will ever be able to do it unless they also drop the barrel length restriction. This would also be a step in the right direction but I'm skeptical.
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Pure speculation, hopes and dreams of unicorns really :)

Could it be part of future regulations changes? Sure it could. Will it happen in this rounds of reg changes? Who knows....BUT...if this new reclassification committee does come to fruition and they start reviewing firearms that are restricted by name only Vs by function, anything is possible.

The whole point (to them obviously) is concealability of short barreled firearms so based on that alone, barrel lenght would be an easier way out, especially for AR10s as who owns and shoot a 10'' AR-10 - no one, so short of making them ALL NR (the ultimate goal of course), at least un-restrict those with say 14''+ barrels (so by default, essentially all of them).

Two can play at this barrel lenght game (like they did for short(er) barreled handguns, in the attemps to prohib as many as possible).
 
BenL said:
Pure speculation, hopes and dreams of unicorns really :)

Could it be part of future regulations changes? Sure it could. Will it happen in this rounds of reg changes? Who knows....BUT...if this new reclassification committee does come to fruition and they start reviewing firearms that are restricted by name only Vs by function, anything is possible.

The whole point (to them obviously) is concealability of short barreled firearms so based on that alone, barrel lenght would be an easier way out, especially for AR10s as who owns and shoot a 10'' AR-10 - no one, so short of making them ALL NR (the ultimate goal of course), at least un-restrict those with say 14''+ barrels (so by default, essentially all of them).

Two can play at this barrel lenght game (like they did for short(er) barreled handguns, in the attemps to prohib as many as possible).
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I've always wanted a Unicorn.

Should really be no barrel length restriction, if a person wants to commit a crime they will do so. limiting magazine capacities and barrel lengths only limits the law abiding. That is one concept the law makers really need to get a grasp on.

I'd rather that they say shorter than 9 inch since that is my shortest one but 3 are 11-12 inch and the AR-10 is 24 inch, which by the way, since we are supposed to be talking about AR-10's in this thread. I had mine out twice in the last few days and am very impressed with how it shoots. With a 10 twist barrel it shot a really nice group (around 1 moa) with my 110gr V-max load that I built for and had left over from when I had my RFB and it also shot a really nice group (about .85 moa) with Federal Fusion 150gr factory loads. The weird thing is that it didn't shoot the best group with the Black Hills match 175gr I bough to try in it. Maybe I should try them again but the group was over 2 moa.
 
Anyway it is time to buy those AR's, many good prices, this Armalite AR-10T at 1900.00 is quite a deal and a rifle... JP.
 
cr5 said:
I've always wanted a Unicorn.

Should really be no barrel length restriction, if a person wants to commit a crime they will do so. limiting magazine capacities and barrel lengths only limits the law abiding. That is one concept the law makers really need to get a grasp on.

I'd rather that they say shorter than 9 inch since that is my shortest one but 3 are 11-12 inch and the AR-10 is 24 inch, which by the way, since we are supposed to be talking about AR-10's in this thread. I had mine out twice in the last few days and am very impressed with how it shoots. With a 10 twist barrel it shot a really nice group (around 1 moa) with my 110gr V-max load that I built for and had left over from when I had my RFB and it also shot a really nice group (about .85 moa) with Federal Fusion 150gr factory loads. The weird thing is that it didn't shoot the best group with the Black Hills match 175gr I bough to try in it. Maybe I should try them again but the group was over 2 moa.
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Have you tried out some Match Federal or Match Norma in 165-168gr, perhaps it'll like it better than the heavier 175gr Black Hills?
 
cr5 said:
I've always wanted a Unicorn.

Should really be no barrel length restriction, if a person wants to commit a crime they will do so. limiting magazine capacities and barrel lengths only limits the law abiding. That is one concept the law makers really need to get a grasp on.

I'd rather that they say shorter than 9 inch since that is my shortest one but 3 are 11-12 inch and the AR-10 is 24 inch, which by the way, since we are supposed to be talking about AR-10's in this thread. I had mine out twice in the last few days and am very impressed with how it shoots. With a 10 twist barrel it shot a really nice group (around 1 moa) with my 110gr V-max load that I built for and had left over from when I had my RFB and it also shot a really nice group (about .85 moa) with Federal Fusion 150gr factory loads. The weird thing is that it didn't shoot the best group with the Black Hills match 175gr I bough to try in it. Maybe I should try them again but the group was over 2 moa.
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My Armalite AR-10T really show a preference for the factory Lapua HPS Lockbase 170 gr, this ammo is very high in the food chain , my guess is it would perform very good in your rifle ( read sub MOA )... JP.
 
BenL said:
I don't even want to know how much these are per box of 20!
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Doesn't matter, Caramel is a gajillionaire so he just buys what works.

After I try a couple more factory loadings and figure out what weight it likes best I'll be handloading for it to improve accuracy even more and save money.
 
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