Remaining CZ-858 ('05-'06) - values going up or down?

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First of all, greetings! I lurk, but I'm always around. :rockOn: CZ-858's are temporarily off the EE listings until the dust settles on the rifle ban fiasco, so I have no idea how much the legal ones are worth now.

Question 1: How many CZ-858's were unaffected by the RCMP ban? I don't know how many 2005-2006 were imported.

Question 2: I know this is pure speculation, but do you think the prices on the remaining (legal) ones will go up, down, or stay the same?


I'm worried that acquiring a 2005-2006 CZ-858 will be more expensive now that they're "rare". Another worry is that an owner could get arrested by a police officer who might think that ALL CZ-858's are prohibited. I'm full of worries.
 
Some feedback.

Question 2 - The price has gone up on 2005-2006 rifles. I saw one selling for $2000+ but I don't know if it sold.

Question 3 - I think you do have a valid concern in regards to running into a uninformed law enforcement or peace officer. Many initial search warrants for Firearms are turned down due to 'incorrect' information and the paper work must be corrected. One of the most common mistakes is listing all rifles as "Restricted Firearms". There is also a sizable portion of law enforcement officers that feel only the Police/Government should own Firearms.

My further concern would be laying out the cash for a 05/06 model and the Government then listing all CZ-858's as prohibited, especially with a new government.

Call me bitter but I lost my BD38, more than likely if I hadn't sold it, I would have eventually lost my CZ858 and I was very close to buying a Swiss Arms rifle.
 
05/06's are getting a premium, unsure how much though. Someone on the EE can ask the moon and stars, then settle for what they get for it. I think once the CZ958's get here, you'll see the premium sink like the titanic. If I buy another VZ58 platform rifle, it'll be the 958.
 
with the CSA VZ 58 floating around now, and the 958 on the way, I don't anticipate the value of the 858 to go anywhere but down.
Near identical gun, but it has baggage. I wouldn't pay premium for a gun that has the potential to bring heat my way from an uninformed officer.
I'd rather pay premium to ensure I have no problems.
My .02
 
Wolverine supplies said there less then 500 rifles that wasn't affected or something like that.

I wouldn't pay a premium for one. I don't see the point when I got a chrome lined CSA for 900$shiped in the EE
 
Except the csa rifles are good for 71 shots before they break, why do you think the RCMP went after the cz's and not the csa's? Because they know that an sks is a more formidable rifle. Btw 71 shots isn't a random number. That's how many my brand new csa lasted. Also movie arms replaced it and then it broke in three places...
 
We'll, how much do the FSN and czh2003 go for? Answer that, and you have your answer. Given there are vz58 by CSA, and the potential of the Interarms model still waiting for its FRT which it will get as a new semi auto only receiver, there is really no need for demand short of those that just want one. Add to that the pending 958 and it's just "collector lust" value.
 
Sevensixtwo said:
Except the csa rifles are good for 71 shots before they break, why do you think the RCMP went after the cz's and not the csa's? Because they know that an sks is a more formidable rifle. Btw 71 shots isn't a random number. That's how many my brand new csa lasted. Also movie arms replaced it and then it broke in three places...
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They went after the 07 and later as a converted auto. If were as simple as you say, the 05 and 06 would be gone as well. They didn't go after the vz58 as it has a new receiver, not surplus welded up receivers.

I've got two CSA guns. Each has a lot of rounds down range, both 223 and x39 versions. No hiccups. They had a bad run, it doesn't speak for the whole version.
 
fenceline; said:
I've got two CSA guns. Each has a lot of rounds down range, both 223 and x39 versions. No hiccups. They had a bad run, it doesn't speak for the whole version.
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Had my vz58 compact in .223 to the range yesterday and put a bunch of rounds thru it. 100+
No problems. Except shooters next to me stopping and staring. Then saying "what the he11 is that!" Lmao!! love it!! Probably only 300 total thru it so far. My 2 non restricted x39 have a thousand or so. No problems
 
fenceline said:
They went after the 07 and later as a converted auto. If were as simple as you say, the 05 and 06 would be gone as well. They didn't go after the vz58 as it has a new receiver, not surplus welded up receivers.

I've got two CSA guns. Each has a lot of rounds down range, both 223 and x39 versions. No hiccups. They had a bad run, it doesn't speak for the whole version.
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Ya we all know the "official story" but I know the truth. Also only about 500 of 20,000 cz858's escaped the rcmp's prohibition. How many sks' are there in canada? They didn't go after the sks because they didn't have a good excuse. Also I am pretty sure (not 100%) but the vz receivers were also built to be full auto but squeezed through the cracks of legality because they had never been assembled. The receivers were made to be full autos but stayed in storage as just a receiver and thus were never converted from being an actual full auto. So in fact some vz's and cz's are actually identical in both function and manufacturing techniques yet one is legal because it was never assembled into a functional rifle and they others had been.
 
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Sevensixtwo said:
Ya we all know the "official story" but I know the truth. Also only about 500 of 20,000 cz858's escaped the rcmp's prohibition. How many sks' are there in canada? They didn't go after the sks because they didn't have a good excuse. Also I am pretty sure (not 100%) but the vz receivers were also built to be full auto but squeezed through the cracks of legality because they had never been assembled. The receivers were made to be full autos but stayed in storage as just a receiver and thus were never converted from being an actual full auto. So in fact some vz's and cz's are actually identical in both function and manufacturing techniques yet one is legal because it was never assembled into a functional rifle and they others had been.
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No. If you look inside a vz58 receiver where the full auto parts go was never milled out. Then look at a prohib cz858 receiver there is a block welded in place where the full auto parts go. Hence a converted auto. Or that's what I see by looking at both.
I think the ones that were in storage and never assembled as full auto were then welded and sold as semi were the cz858 that got the prohib
They are both identical in the way they function and parts. Only difference is what I said above
 
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Sevensixtwo said:
Ya we all know the "official story" but I know the truth. Also only about 500 of 20,000 cz858's escaped the rcmp's prohibition. How many sks' are there in canada? They didn't go after the sks because they didn't have a good excuse. Also I am pretty sure (not 100%) but the vz receivers were also built to be full auto but squeezed through the cracks of legality because they had never been assembled. The receivers were made to be full autos but stayed in storage as just a receiver and thus were never converted from being an actual full auto. So in fact some vz's and cz's are actually identical in both function and manufacturing techniques yet one is legal because it was never assembled into a functional rifle and they others had been.
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Um, no. You don't know. The receivers are different. You just need to look and compare.
 
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No. If you look inside a vz58 receiver where the full auto parts go was never milled out. Then look at a prohib cz858 receiver there is a block welded in place where the full auto parts go. Hence a converted auto. Or that's what I see by looking at both.
I think the ones that were in storage and never assembled as full auto were then welded and sold as semi were the cz858 that got the prohib
They are both identical in the way they function and parts. Only difference is what I said above
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Not quite, the ones that were never assembled into full auto rifles are the non restricted (2005-2006 dated rifles), those that were assembled into ful auto rifles are the prohibited ones(2007+). Both are identical in every way other then the later having been given a serial number and at one point being a full auto capable rifle. Or something like that.
Neither are easily revertable and would be infact be more difficult the CSA and other brands of vz 58 since the welded metal block would be slightly harder then the surrounding metal.
 
I do know the truth my friend, the RCMP would have gotten the rest of them too had they figured out a good excuse after the fact. Don't try to make sense of it as if they had a legitimate reason. They knew their reasons for making the rifles prohib were shotty, that's why they kept it secret. If they could fudge the laws to make my .22 prohib they would. Just ask himmler if we need our rifles. Besides fenceline I was being facetious about the reasons why they made cz's prohib and vz's not, but that was lost on you clearly as you felt it more important to play semantics when I was clearly just bashing your beloved csa rifle. Deservedly so. Also 1000 rounds is nothing to brag about, put 10,000 down range and you will have a rifle as functional as a pos $199 sks.
But since we are being all educational and what not, it was the pre2007 cz's that were full autos never assembled? So cz ran out of non assembled rifles to legally convert, saw that it was the exact same parts in the assembled ones and said to them selves "man canadian laws are stupid, besides they will never know the difference" and started taking assembled rifles apart and converting those too, right? This is where the RCMP stepped in and said "prohib!" I wonder if this started a media poo storm in the Czech Republic. If it did I bet they are laughing at us, or maybe just our police, or our government for not being in control of its police. Either way someone is laughing and it's not me, even tho I am so funny.
 
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Sevensixtwo said:
I do know the truth my friend, the RCMP would have gotten the rest of them too had they figured out a good excuse after the fact. Don't try to make sense of it as if they had a legitimate reason. They knew their reasons for making the rifles prohib were shotty, that's why they kept it secret. If they could fudge the laws to make my .22 prohib they would. Just ask himmler if we need our rifles. Besides fenceline I was being facetious about the reasons why they made cz's prohib and vz's not, but that was lost on you clearly as you felt it more important to play semantics when I was clearly just bashing your beloved csa rifle. Deservedly so. Also 1000 rounds is nothing to brag about, put 10,000 down range and you will have a rifle as functional as a pos $199 sks.
But since we are being all educational and what not, it was the pre2007 cz's that were full autos never assembled? So cz ran out of non assembled rifles to legally convert, saw that it was the exact same parts in the assembled ones and said to them selves "man canadian laws are stupid, besides they will never know the difference" and started taking assembled rifles apart and converting those too, right? This is where the RCMP stepped in and said "prohib!" I wonder if this started a media poo storm in the Czech Republic. If it did I bet they are laughing at us, or maybe just our police, or our government for not being in control of its police. Either way someone is laughing and it's not me, even tho I am so funny.
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With all the anger and sarcasm in your rambling post, it is hard to tell when you are trying to be wise, and when you aren't.

You can stick to your theories, and I'll stick to mine.
 
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