I hate my Glock

[Dietz]

Richard alert.

*edit* I was going to leave it at just that, but I simply can't...someone needs correction. @ the poster; If Glocks didn't have ergo/grip angle and texture issues why are we now in the 4th generation!? I would suggest that they (Glock) still haven't gotten it quite right (read perfect) where myself is concerned in any rate. The rake angle of the grip makes a shooter prone to "limpwristing" which as everyone here knows causes the firearm to stovepipe (which IMHO, is a significant problem as we're discussing a duty pistol).
Some internet hero's will say with proper training this problem is eliminated, therefore it isn't a problem. I call , any firearm that can become inoperable through a course of fire for a known reason IS a problem. Glock all but acknowledges this with free replacement of recoil springs and ejector claws...yet the "problem" exists. So get off your high horse and don't crap on folks for their opinions...everyone has them and all are entitled to them, here, all can discuss them.
As to your alcoholic fatherly rant in regards to hurt feelings, your so far out in left field it's laughable. I also doubt very much that you would talk to another grow man in the way you have done here without the anonymity of the internet, had you, I'll bet it would have been the last time after the well deserved "correction" you would have endured...but again, just my opinion.
Glocks are great! Actually my go to gun for its boring reliability, but is it ergonomically the most friendly pistol I own? Absolutely not!

First, you know absolutely nothing about me. Second, if you also think I would not "talk to another grown man in the way I have done here without internet anonymity" you OBVIOUSLY absolutely positively do not know me. If you're talking #### I'll straight up say it right in your face, and guess what I've never endured any "well deserved" correction for it. Truth is truth.

If you really think I should endure a well deserved correction because I don't ####ing screw around, you have some mental issues that need taken care of yourself first.

As for the Glock having relaibility issues for a little while for a variety of reasons, I've never even mentioned the opposite I actually talk about it very often so quit your senseless #####in you think is a "correction", it is downright entertainment to me.

 

[Brutus]

Never heard anybody call HK P7 hard to shoot accurately with.

Yes, but the flip side of that is that I've never heard of anyone bragging about long shooting sessions with a P7.

Lots of Euro ex-police P7s on the used gun market for some good reason.

 

[plinker 777]

OK, I went to the range today and only brought my Glock...
Bought 200 rounds of .40 and went to the line, fired off 50 rounds and the RTF frame was really started to bother me so I decide to put on a pair of mechanic gloves I had in my range bag.
Now this is where I don't understand what happened but, my grouping was cut in half ???
Before I had the gloves on tightest I was getting 7" at 10 meters but, with the gloves on it dropped to 3" to 4" grouping.
Fired 100 rounds with the gloves on and was constant 3 to 4".

I then tried the last 50 switching between gloves on for a mag and then gloves off for a mag.
Gloves on 3" to 4" group
Gloves off 7" to 8"

So I am confused???

By wearing gloves am I
Getting a better grip on the gun ?
Ever so slightly changing the grip I have on the gun ?
Maybe I'm not liking the RTF texture of the gun ?

It's night and day with the gloves on and off ?

CLEARLY YOU DON'T KNOW SH1T ABOUT SH1T!! (ANGER...GRRRR!!) PULL YOUR FU$%^ING HEAD OUT OF YOUR A$$ AND LEARN TO SHOOT GAWD DAMN YOUR HIDE!! ...or, you've discovered that with the glove, your purchase on the firearm is improved. The glove is helping the gun to fill your hand. If you don't want to shoot with a glove all the time, my advise is to buy a Hogue slip on.
WHOA...WHAT AM I THINKING, ITS YOU, ITS A SOFTWARE PROBLEM, NOT A GLOCK PROBLEM, GLOCKS ARE GIFTS FROM THE ENLIGHTEND GASTON AND CAN NEVER BE QUESTIONED!! YEAH! I FEEL MUCH BIGGER NOW!! IF I DIDN'T THINK IT A SIGN OF WEAKNESS, I'D THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SH!T ALL OVER YOU!!

^high sarcasm BTW

 

[Still alive]

Man, this thread is getting weird!

 

[Avenida]

for what is worth, I have recently discovered that I am fastest with the Glock than I am with any of my other pistols, even my beloved P30L. I was a Glock hater and bought one for giggles, could not stop shooting the thing, my times and scores in IDPA just keep improving so there is something about the platform that works for me (?)
I also found that triggers are totally inconsistent (not trigger pull weight - but triggers in gral) from gun to gun (Glock to Glock). I have 2 bone stock 17's and they both feel different. Nothing has been done to them.
Today I shot a match with a Gen3, it feels different too.
Overall, I am pleasantly surprised with Glocks.

over and out

 

[GLOCK_PERFECTION]

To each their own. One shooter can hate Glocks and the other can love them.... Same thing for 1911 or any other handguns, but the guy that say that his handgun (Glock) isn't shooting straight/good for any reason like grip angle or loose tolerance just don't know how to shoot it and must take shooting lessons.

It's always easier to put the fault on the Gear and not the man operating it

Production pistols aren't target pistols but can reliably put rounds where they are supposed at 25y.

 

[Garyo]

First, you know absolutely nothing about me. Second, if you also think I would not "talk to another grown man in the way I have done here without internet anonymity" you OBVIOUSLY absolutely positively do not know me. If you're talking #### I'll straight up say it right in your face, and guess what I've never endured any "well deserved" correction for it. Truth is truth.

If you really think I should endure a well deserved correction because I don't ####ing screw around, you have some mental issues that need taken care of yourself first.

As for the Glock having relaibility issues for a little while for a variety of reasons, I've never even mentioned the opposite I actually talk about it very often so quit your senseless #####in you think is a "correction", it is downright entertainment to me.

Well, info like this certainly doesn't help a novice like me. I guess it's time for the moderator to close this one as it's certainly dumped the track.

 

[O d gout]

I find it absolutely hilarious how anybody who states they don't like or shoot Glocks as well as other handguns, automatically don't know how to shoot or needs shooting lessons.

 

[plinker 777]

Man, this thread is getting weird!

What do you mean?

 

[RobertMcC]

OK, I went to the range today and only brought my Glock...
Bought 200 rounds of .40 and went to the line, fired off 50 rounds and the RTF frame was really started to bother me so I decide to put on a pair of mechanic gloves I had in my range bag.
Now this is where I don't understand what happened but, my grouping was cut in half ???
Before I had the gloves on tightest I was getting 7" at 10 meters but, with the gloves on it dropped to 3" to 4" grouping.
Fired 100 rounds with the gloves on and was constant 3 to 4".

I then tried the last 50 switching between gloves on for a mag and then gloves off for a mag.
Gloves on 3" to 4" group
Gloves off 7" to 8"

So I am confused???

By wearing gloves am I
Getting a better grip on the gun ?
Ever so slightly changing the grip I have on the gun ?
Maybe I'm not liking the RTF texture of the gun ?

It's night and day with the gloves on and off ?

Like all along simple matter of the grip. Try a rubber sleeve to fatten it up a bit. Give it a palm swell.

 

[Still alive]

What do you mean?

This is turning into a Ford vs. Chev debate. 1911 vs. Glock. Norcs vs. everything German.
Let's not get our panties in a knot about this. ALL guns that shoot well for the shooter are good, even Toks and Norcs. Who are we to judge? I love Glocks, I love 1911s, I love all guns ( except the Chiappa Rhino...that one is fugly!) Period.

 

[plinker 777]

This is turning into a Ford vs. Chev debate. 1911 vs. Glock. Norcs vs. everything German.
Let's not get our panties in a knot about this. ALL guns that shoot well for the shooter are good, even Toks and Norcs. Who are we to judge? I love Glocks, I love 1911s, I love all guns ( except the Chiappa Rhino...that one is fugly!) Period.

Nah, the OP although a competent shooter was having issues with his Glock. Some recommended training (always a good idea for all of us), others started to tell the guy that he sucks!? {never mind the aforementioned fact that is issue is with the Glock, not other pistols...I digress.} TDC though gruff was making points the way he does, but then others started to exacerbate his bandwagon (I'll note that he never asked for supportive opinions, but as I said, everyone has them)...that's when things came off the rails abit, but the OP did some work at the range today and I believe he's on the right track. ( So there! Its a hardware problem all along! Glock grip angles take some getting used to, and aren't for everyone...yea, blasphemy, I know but its true.)

 

[Still alive]

Nah, the OP although a competent shooter was having issues with his Glock. Some recommended training (always a good idea for all of us), others started to tell the guy that he sucks!? {never mind the aforementioned fact that is issue is with the Glock, not other pistols...I digress.} TDC though gruff was making points the way he does, but then others started to exacerbate his bandwagon (I'll note that he never asked for supportive opinions, but as I said, everyone has them)...that's when things came off the rails abit, but the OP did some work at the range today and I believe he's on the right track. ( So there! Its a hardware problem all along! Glock grip angles take some getting used to, and aren't for everyone...yea, blasphemy, I know but its true.)

I have no issue with TDC at all! I am all for training. Like the poster who used golf analogies, beating golf balls for hours will not make you a better golfer if all you do is ingrain bad habits. Having someone with skill and know how is priceless. IMO, once a shooter develops bad trigger control ( flinch) and improper sight picture, the game is over. It will take a long time to relearn the correct skills. This is the same reason we recommend new shooters start with a .22 so they don't fear the noise and recoil.
Like I said before, I've owned mine for over 20 years. It has never failed. I have a Gen2 19 and, for me, grip angle has never been an issue. I've shot or handled revolvers and semi autos of all kinds. Truth be told, the only time grip angle has come into play is with single action revolvers. I just don't find them comfortable and can't imagine shooting a 454 Casull in one.
Right after this thread started, I mentioned I was going to shoot mine and test out the new guide rod. Worked perfectly. Shot mine, a friend's M&P 9 and another's Les Baer .45. All at 15M. All 3 grouped about 2-3 inches. Put another way, it's the indian, not the arrow.

 

[NavyCuda]

Not knocking 1911s. Love them for years. But if they were all we needed, we'll still be driving Model Ts! Variety is the spice of life, my friend. Open and free your mind!

Actually there are some pretty sound arguments as to why the Model T or Model A should still be in production.

 

[Brutus]

Actually there are some pretty sound arguments as to why the Model T or Model A should still be in production.

Funny that. I remember duck hunting in South Saskatchewan and many fully serviceable farm field irrigation pumps were harvested from these very old trucks.

That was the decade covering the 1990s.

 

[johNTO]

By wearing gloves am I
Getting a better grip on the gun ?
Ever so slightly changing the grip I have on the gun ?
Maybe I'm not liking the RTF texture of the gun ?

It's night and day with the gloves on and off ?

Everyone knows that Glocks are designed for the Tactical Elite Teams….all wear gloves. Seriously though, I shoot my gen3 better with a $12 grip slip-on.

 

[Jarvy]

Professional training is best, but you practicing sight alignment and trigger control (the most important bits!) is something that can be done on it's own with dry firing. I draw a dot on a scrap of paper, place it on a wall, and practice keeping the sights perfectly aligned as I press the trigger and follow though. There's no bang, so if your sight picture goes all over the place, you'll see it happening.

The angle is a moot point and an excuse. Align the sights and move along.

Perhaps you should be trying to come across as someone who is helpful? You are dead wrong about the angle issue. Do you own a 1911 platform or perhaps an M&P, CZ? Have you gripped your Glock and one of these guns at the same time? What did you find out? I really want to know.

My first handgun was a Steyr M, my second was a Glock. By comparison, the Glock's grip felt like trying to wrap my hand around a strangely angled 2x4.

But it doesn't matter. When I go to the range I go from the Steyr to the Glock to the M&P to a friend's CZs and Beretta clones all in different calibers and back again, a magazine or two at a time. And shoot them all equally well, because I apply the fundamentals.

Make sure your sights are aligned, you have a solid grip, stage the trigger and press it home. Nothing else matters, certainly not minute differences in trigger weight or grip angles.

 

[tjhaile]

Actually there are some pretty sound arguments as to why the Model T or Model A should still be in production.

I'm sure that you could build a Model A from new parts if you wanted. New frames and bodies are available.

 

[NavyCuda]

I'm sure that you could build a Model A from new parts if you wanted. New frames and bodies are available.

It's too bad my Dad sold it but my grandpa had a Model A with its original paint and red pinstripe. Really neat car and easy to get going, even after sitting for decades.

 

[NavyCuda]

Everyone knows that Glocks are designed for the Tactical Elite Teams….all wear gloves. Seriously though, I shoot my gen3 better with a $12 grip slip-on.

I'd take the BHP in that photo over the glock any day of the week.