My Beowulf Mags... NOT Prohibited. Explained.

[Chrisss]

I noticed my AD had been removed as some people were worried that the magazines I am selling are prohibited (I am not a dealer just selling 5 of my personal mags so dont message me thinking I am a supplier). I work for a criminal lawyer, spoke with a CFO and Have done some calling around as well as my own research before I had purchased these and I assure you there is no issue with these types of magazines.

There are two reasons, first one being that they have never been designed to hold 5 556/223 in Canada, they came into Canada as beowulf mags. They have never been pinned to 5 rounds 223/556 then changed to 5 Beowulf... They are pinned and designed for 5 beowulf from the beginning. Even though they share the same casing/feeder as the 556/223 mag (which pretty much all beowulf mags do). Canadian Regulations do not prohibit designing/Manufacturing the magazine to hold 5 beowulf as long as the design/manufacturing is not done in canada or you have a manufacturing license. Reason being that at some point the magazine's capacity becomes 30 (even if for only a moment), making it a prohibited device but manufacturers are exempt from this.

The magazines had been designed/manufactured in the US, then imported using the correct import certificates and complying with all capacity and design regulations

We can also refer to the criminal code regarding this...

(4) A cartridge magazine described in subsection (1) that has been altered or re-manufactured so that it is not capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be, of the type for which it was originally designed is NOT a prohibited device as prescribed by that subsection if the modification to the magazine cannot be easily removed and the magazine cannot be easily further altered so that it is so capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be.

Hence a PMAG case that is re-designed/re-manufactured to hold and fire no more than 5 Beowulf rounds as long as they are permanently labeled and permanently pinned as such is in full compliance with Canadian Federal law and regulations. Making a new mold is not cost efficient as beowulf is no where near as popular as 223/556, so all suppliers had to take the same route in order to make their mags.

Not sure where the mods would like to keep this info as it applies both to the guys in the EE as well as the General black rifle section. Decided to keep it here incase Mods had a problem with these being in the classified section which I will respect.

Pic of the beowulf mags (I had them professionally silk screened/filled in yellow (process might of been called something else not sure). Did this to have the labeling clearly visible as recommended by a local CFO.

If you disagree with anything I have posted please reply as that is why we have these forums... To learn and discuss.

 

[fenceline]

I noticed my AD had been removed as some people were worried that the magazines I am selling are prohibited (I am not a dealer just selling 5 of my personal mags so dont message me thinking I am a supplier). I work for a criminal lawyer, spoke with a CFO and Have done some calling around as well as my own research before I had purchased these and I assure you there is no issue with these types of magazines.

There are two reasons, first one being that they have never been designed to hold 5 556/223 in Canada, they came into Canada as beowulf mags. They have never been pinned to 5 rounds 223/556 then changed to 5 Beowulf... They are pinned and designed for 5 beowulf from the beginning. Even though they share the same casing/feeder as the 556/223 mag (which pretty much all beowulf mags do). Canadian Regulations do not prohibit designing/Manufacturing the magazine to hold 5 beowulf as long as the design/manufacturing is not done in canada or you have a manufacturing license. Reason being that at some point the magazine's capacity becomes 30 (even if for only a moment), making it a prohibited device but manufacturers are exempt from this.

The magazines had been designed/manufactured in the US, then imported using the correct import certificates and complying with all capacity and design regulations

We can also refer to the criminal code regarding this...

(4) A cartridge magazine described in subsection (1) that has been altered or re-manufactured so that it is not capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be, of the type for which it was originally designed is NOT a prohibited device as prescribed by that subsection if the modification to the magazine cannot be easily removed and the magazine cannot be easily further altered so that it is so capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be.

Hence a PMAG case that is re-designed/re-manufactured to hold and fire no more than 5 Beowulf rounds as long as they are permanently labeled and permanently pinned as such is in full compliance with Canadian Federal law and regulations. Making a new mold is not cost efficient as beowulf is no where near as popular as 223/556, so all suppliers had to take the same route in order to make their mags.

Not sure where the mods would like to keep this info as it applies both to the guys in the EE as well as the General black rifle section. Decided to keep it here incase Mods had a problem with these being in the classified section which I will respect.

Pic of the beowulf mags (I had them professionally silk screened/filled in yellow (process might of been called something else not sure). Did this to have the labeling clearly visible as recommended by a local CFO.

If you disagree with anything I have posted please reply as that is why we have these forums... To learn and discuss.

(4) A cartridge magazine described in subsection (1) that has been altered or re-manufactured so that it is not capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be, of the type for which it was originally designed is NOT a prohibited device as prescribed by that subsection if the modification to the magazine cannot be easily removed and the magazine cannot be easily further altered so that it is so capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be.

"Not more than five cartridges..... Of the type for which it was originally designed."

The pmag was originally designed for 223/556, not 50 Beowulf. The alteration refers to limiting the mag, to 5 rounds, not altering to take a type of cartridge for which it was not originally designed for.

- altered or re manufactured to not hold more than 5 rounds...
- for the type of ammo it was designed for

They are pinned and designed for 5 beowulf from the beginning.

Except in the beginning they originally designed for 5.56/.223 by magpul. Not 50 Beowulf.

If you altered it to be pinned for 5 rounds of Beowulf, you have a prohibited 16 round (or thereabouts) 223/556 mag.

 

[Chrisss]

(4) A cartridge magazine described in subsection (1) that has been altered or re-manufactured so that it is not capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be, of the type for which it was originally designed is NOT a prohibited device as prescribed by that subsection if the modification to the magazine cannot be easily removed and the magazine cannot be easily further altered so that it is so capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges

You can make that argument for most if not all beowulf mags for sale at the moment. Alexander arms originally had feeders that still retained the 223/556 engraving/label. They had taken parts of a 223/556 mag in order to produce their version of the beowulf mag just as this supplier had done. This mag had never been sold as a 223/556 it had been manufactured and sold as a beowulf mag from the very beginning. They chose the PMAG shell as it was the most popular and reliable mag to start with.

 

[fenceline]

You can make that argument for most if not all beowulf mags for sale at the moment. Alexander arms originally had feeders that still retained the 223/556 engraving/label. They had taken parts of a 223/556 mag in order to produce their version of the beowulf mag just as this supplier had done. This mag had never been sold as a 223/556 it had been manufactured and sold as a beowulf mag from the very beginning. They chose the PMAG shell as it was the most popular and reliable mag to start with.

A manufacturer "designed" a magazine for 50 Beowulf. How he did it doesn't matter as at the end of the day they designed it, it worked, and they made it specifically for 50 Beowulf. The body of the mag was stamped AA 50 at the time of its production.

It's the same as not being allowed to pin rifle mags to ten and call them pistol mags, even when it is the same calibre.

You took a previously made, complete magazine, that was already manufactured as a whole, and relabeled and pinned it. Even with stickers, it was and is a manufactured 556 mag.

And the original polymer Beowulf mags didn't use pmag bodies. CAA made the bodies, and the bodies says 50 Beowulf in the mold. They were not made from spare mag bodies, they were ordered as 50 Beowulf mags from CAA specifically.

Good luck to you.

 

[adancingmonkey]

That just looks like a pmag where someone wrote 50 Beowulf on it. Pretty sure it's prohibited if it is unpinned or pinned to where it can hold more than 5 rounds of 5.56.

 

[andrew3081]

You can make that argument for most if not all beowulf mags for sale at the moment. Alexander arms originally had feeders that still retained the 223/556 engraving/label. They had taken parts of a 223/556 mag in order to produce their version of the beowulf mag just as this supplier had done. This mag had never been sold as a 223/556 it had been manufactured and sold as a beowulf mag from the very beginning. They chose the PMAG shell as it was the most popular and reliable mag to start with.

Who is 'they'?

It doesnt matter if the magazine has been sold as .223 or not. It is all about what the magazine was originally design for.

 

[Brordo]

Alexander Arms used polymer mags made by CAA. I see they've removed them from their website...perhaps they were having the same issue as ATRS had (when it comes to not delivering). I've never seen AA use PMAGS...

 

[Bracketman]

It's a modified PMag.. 5 round limit.. move along.

 

[Chrisss]

Except in the beginning they originally designed for 5.56/.223 by magpul. Not 50 Beowulf.

No mags are made by beowulf, beowulf is just a name of the ammo/cartridge size. Just like there are no mags made by 50 cal, or 308. Beowulf is not a name that can be legally owned as it refers to the size, and thus has to be allowed to be used by any manufacturer/supplier.

Im not saying your points are incorrect, they are actually completely right... But there are legal arguments for them. Its what happens with grey area topics.

Alexander arms uses a 223/556 mag as well I cant find it though. It is a chinese mag manufacturer I cant remember what the name was.

 

[fenceline]

No mags are made by beowulf, beowulf is just a name of the ammo/cartridge size. Just like there are no mags made by 50 cal, or 308. Beowulf is not a name that can be legally owned as it refers to the size, and thus has to be allowed to be used by any manufacturer/supplier.

Im not saying your points are incorrect, they are actually completely right... But there are legal arguments for them. Its what happens with grey area topics.

Alexander arms uses a 223/556 mag as well I cant find it though. It is a chinese mag manufacturer I cant remember what the name was.

I didn't say Beowulf made them. I said the mags were made for 5.56, not for 50 Beowulf.

Your reading compression ability is going to get you in serious trouble. If you can't understand my post, I have little faith in what you think you heard from the CFO, and from the "Criminal lawyer you work for".

Not being rude, just straight forward.

 

[Chrisss]

Who is 'they'?

Looking for that now, its been a year since I got these.

And the original polymer Beowulf mags didn't use pmag bodies. CAA made the bodies, and the bodies says 50 Beowulf in the mold. They were not made from spare mag bodies, they were ordered as 50 Beowulf mags from CAA specifically.

Good luck to you.

They used 223 feeders though... Even if used during first production

 

[fenceline]

Looking for that now, its been a year since I got these.

They used 223 feeders though... Even if used during first production

Magazine body is the mag. Not the follower/feeder, the base plate, or the spring. The body is what constitutes the magazine. Just like the receiver on a firearm is the legally controlled piece.

Hence why possessing an unpinned, disassembled 30 round magazine body with no other assembled parts will get you convicted of possession of a prohibited device.

Go look up the case law from BC for that one.

 

[CGN Admin]

These magazines are illegal - plain and simple. This is Magpul Pmag designed and manufactured as a 5.56 magazine, and someone else printed 50 Beowulf on the body.