Anybody who is sitting on the fence about whether to get a Mosin Nagant or not and hoping that prices will go down or stay the same may be a bit disappointed soon, when and if the next batches arrive and notice the price increase over currently available examples. None are going to be coming out of the Ukraine for a long time and the overseas sellers are starting to ask a lot more for what is left from Molot Russia, and Russia may be put on the sanctions list for any weapons sales to Canada after their little visit today into Ukraine so that is also going to put a dent in the supply in the future.
A little birdie told me
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Seems like unnecessarily hyping doom and gloom which will only serve to artificially inflate the market. We don't need hoarders.
If and when the prices go up, they go up. Basically every dealer still has many 91/30s still in stock and there are many former USSR nations that still have firearms to be exported. I can almost guarantee there are shipments of Russian milsurp firearms sailing to Canada right now.
If and when the prices go up, they go up. Basically every dealer still has many 91/30s still in stock and there are many former USSR nations that still have firearms to be exported. I can almost guarantee there are shipments of Russian milsurp firearms sailing to Canada right now.
...and your proof is?... you accuse us of speculation, but what is your source for such a claim, we would like to be in the know as well, if you in fact know for sure more are coming in. Funny most of the importers have said no more to come in, maybe you could let them know these other sources, as I am sure they would love to follow up on that info. Most coming into the US from other places are absolute crap condition. If that is what you are waiting for to come here, I will pass...
Corwin-arms is selling Mosin-Nagant M44 and M38 carbines with "Polish Army Markings" and I haven't asked Martin where he imported these from but I think I can guess...
Consider that the 91/30s couldn't be exported out of Russia anymore until MOLOT had the idea of using electro pencils and laser etching and now suddenly they exported a ton of "hunting rifles".
Ukraine is done for now, there will be other sources. People are quite creative when there is money to be made. To fill the gaps, all the guys that bought crates of SKS and Mosins (both of which you can still buy crates of...) will start selling them.
The prices will naturally go up as the exporting economies mature, unavoidable.
And since all those countries are rather close to that little fracas happening in the Ukraine right now, I suspect that any milsurp SKS rifles won't be going anywhere any time soon, except maybe to arm rear-echelon or support troops when mobilization is declared.
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Being CLOSE to a country with sanctions, restrictions, or needing rifles, is not the same as actually having sanctions, restrictions, or needing rifles.
The number of surplus rifles is on the decrease and supplies will at some point may come to a halt, but that does not mean that is happening now. Surplus rifles are fetching a good price right now and any country with old hoards collecting dust would be in their interest to let them go. Several years ago these rifles had little demand nor value.
While one person feels the days are numbered, others feel the market is prime.
Ultimately the only sure thing is time will tell how it plays out.
Sales are on in lots of spots including a couple sponsors here, prices will go up most likely in years to come but not soon!
The market here in Canada is starting to get saturated a bit so demand may also drop which will keep prices fair!
The market here in Canada is starting to get saturated a bit so demand may also drop which will keep prices fair!
Absolutely. And unless you're in the surplus rifle buying and selling business, none of this should matter. Just buy the rifle or two that you think you need or want , get some ammo for future shooting and forget about whats happening on the other side of the globe. I've picked up all the Mosins, SKS, and SVTs that I wanted a long time ago. If I buy some now, its because its a super price or something unusual, if not, I will buy something else. I lose no sleep nor income over the surplus rifle market.
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Interesting thread. I happened to be around when the surplus SMLE and Lee-Enfields arrived in large quantities. Everyone had them, $9.95 and take your pick. The Number 4 rifles, being newer, were about $5 more. Mausers were in the $20 range. Today, these rifles are reaching the $500 range.
Then came the Swedish Mausers. They were in the $50 range but today it is close to $300. That supply has been exhausted.
Now, we have the SKS, Moisin-Nagant and Tokarev rifles. Cheap and plentiful today, but----------------------------?
When we come to Milsurps, we tend to forget one thing. ALL these older Surplus rifles are being offered for sale because almost every Government in the world has changed to semi-automatic and fully automatic weapons of a much more modern and efficient design. The SKS being replaced by the AK-47 is an example.
The Countries that have produced the most Military firearms in the past, made them with one thing in mind ---war. England, the United States, Germany and Sweden have sold off their surplus stocks of obsolete and even obsolescent rifles and now it is Russia's turn. After this, who else is there to provide a supply?
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Interesting thread. I happened to be around when the surplus SMLE and Lee-Enfields arrived in large quantities. Everyone had them, $9.95 and take your pick. The Number 4 rifles, being newer, were about $5 more. Mausers were in the $20 range. Today, these rifles are reaching the $500 range.
Then came the Swedish Mausers. They were in the $50 range but today it is close to $300. That supply has been exhausted.
Now, we have the SKS, Moisin-Nagant and Tokarev rifles. Cheap and plentiful today, but----------------------------?
When we come to Milsurps, we tend to forget one thing. ALL these older Surplus rifles are being offered for sale because almost every Government in the world has changed to semi-automatic and fully automatic weapons of a much more modern and efficient design. The SKS being replaced by the AK-47 is an example.
The Countries that have produced the most Military firearms in the past, made them with one thing in mind ---war. England, the United States, Germany and Sweden have sold off their surplus stocks of obsolete and even obsolescent rifles and now it is Russia's turn. After this, who else is there to provide a supply?
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A bigger problem with the supply of mil-surp rifles is that most countries that are now part of the UN are following the UN directive to destroy rather than sell on the open market all their Government held stocks and they are also putting pressure on exporting their civilian held rifles as well.
