I hate my Glock

BC_Mark said:
I'm an overall Glock hater. I have no problem shooting them I just can't stand the look, the feel, or even the smell of them. I don't understand the appeal of them at all. Every year I add a couple of handguns to my collection but a Glock will never be one of them.
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We live in a free country and you have a right to your preference of firearms.
Whether anyone loves or hate Glocks, the gun was innovative, original, simple, reliable, light and accurate from the beginning. It will go down in history as one of the important, if not, one of the best guns ever made. It may be b#tt ugly but it sure works!!
 
Still alive said:
We live in a free country and you have a right to your preference of firearms.
Whether anyone loves or hate Glocks, the gun was innovative, original, simple, reliable, light and accurate from the beginning. It will go down in history as one of the important, if not, one of the best guns ever made. It may be b#tt ugly but it sure works!!
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It may have been innovative and definitely simple and light but it would be a bit of a stretch to label it one of the best guns ever made. Definitely not in the same class as the 1911, CZ, or the revolver. Mind you I don't care much for plastic guns but I am thinking of getting a Smith & Wesson M&P9 Pro.
 
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BC_Mark said:
It may have been innovative and definitely simple and light but it would be a bit of a stretch to label it the best gun ever made. Definitely not in the same class as the 1911, CZ, or the revolver. Mind you don't I care much for plastic guns but I am thinking of getting a Smith & Wesson M&P9 Pro.
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I said "one" of the best guns in history. There are no best guns IMO, just as there are no best cars, best planes or best foods. Glocks are used by a ton of LE, military and civilians. They are also prominently featured on tv and movies. They have captured the popular imagination, good or bad. They were, IIRC, the originator of the polymer gun movement, of which the M&P is one. You don't have to like them but their place in history is secure.
I think that would be a good thread to start a debate on what we pick as the BEST semi- auto, best revolver, best shotgun, best black rifle, best shotty, best lever, best milsurp etc. etc.
 
Still alive said:
I said "one" of the best guns in history. There are no best guns IMO, just as there are no best cars, best planes or best foods. Glocks are used by a ton of LE, military and civilians. They are also prominently featured on tv and movies. They have captured the popular imagination, good or bad. They were, IIRC, the originator of the polymer gun movement, of which the M&P is one. You don't have to like them but their place in history is secure.
I think that would be a good thread to start a debate on what we pick as the BEST semi- auto, best revolver, best shotgun, best black rifle, best shotty, best lever, best milsurp etc. etc.
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Sorry I meant to say "It may have been innovative and definitely simple and light but it would be a bit of a stretch to label it one of the best guns ever made". I wont argue that the gun is not popular and marketed very well I just don't think its all that great. Also, I have family members who are in the service in three different countries and none of them use Glocks and the Heckler & Koch VP70 predates the Clock 17 by 12 years and was the first polymere-framed pistol ever made.
 
BC_Mark said:
Sorry I meant to say "It may have been innovative and definitely simple and light but it would be a bit of a stretch to label it one of the best guns ever made". I wont argue that the gun is not popular and marketed very well I just don't think its all that great. Also, I have family members who are in the service in three different countries and none of them use Glocks and the Heckler & Koch VP70 predates the Clock 17 by 12 years and was the first polymere-framed pistol ever made.
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Ah yes, forgot about that ugly piece of crap VP70. 18 rd capacity, bulky, weird sights, heavy trigger and looked like a Buck Rogers ray gun. I stand corrected sir. I've shot that gun. Compared to a 1911, it felt like fondling a 300 lb chick! If you think the Glock is ugly, the VP70 must really offend you! LOL!
I own a Glock 19. I've had it for close to 25 years. It has never failed and shoots accurately. Only thing I've changed on it is the night sights as they stopped glowing and the main recoil spring assembly as the original one was plastic and got warped over time. Still shot fine though. I also LOVE 1911s, Browning HPs, P7s, revolvers. They are all great guns. None are the best but all are fun! To each their own, I suppose! Enjoy the M&P Pro. Nothing wrong with that either although I don't get the little disassembly lever inside. Seems like an unneccessary step to me.
 
Still alive said:
Ah yes, forgot about that ugly piece of crap VP70. 18 rd capacity, bulky, weird sights, heavy trigger and looked like a Buck Rogers ray gun. I stand corrected sir. I've shot that gun. Compared to a 1911, it felt like fondling a 300 lb chick! If you think the Glock is ugly, the VP70 must really offend you! LOL!
I own a Glock 19. I've had it for close to 25 years. It has never failed and shoots accurately. Only thing I've changed on it is the night sights as they stopped glowing and the main recoil spring assembly as the original one was plastic and got warped over time. Still shot fine though. I also LOVE 1911s, Browning HPs, P7s, revolvers. They are all great guns. None are the best but all are fun! To each their own, I suppose! Enjoy the M&P Pro. Nothing wrong with that either although I don't get the little disassembly lever inside. Seems like an unneccessary step to me.
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Now now good sir some of us like fat chicks. My son has the M&P pro and you only need to use the lever to disassemble if you don't want to dry fire it, it will break down just like a Glock. I can see you really like your Glocks and I don't mean to upset you. The important thing is we both love shooting handguns so PM if you're ever in the Okanagan and you can come to my range as my guest. My son and I have a great collection of Shoot Steel and other reactive metal targets and stop timers, we spend the day at the range every other weekend.
 
BC_Mark said:
Now now good sir some of us like fat chicks. My son has the M&P pro and you only need to use the lever to disassemble if you don't want to dry fire it, it will break down just like a Glock. I can see you really like your Glocks and I don't mean to upset you. The important thing is we both love shooting handguns so PM if you're ever in the Okanagan and you can come to my range as my guest. My son and I have a great collection of Shoot Steel and other reactive metal targets and stop timers, we spend the day at the range every other weekend.
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Steel355 said:
Here's why...

I picked up a Glock 22 RTF Gen 3 about a little over a month ago. I've fired approx 500 round through it in that time. And I have that worst grouping with this gun... At 7 meters I have at best 7" to 8" grouping with it, With my CZ SP-01 Shadow I'm in the 2" to max 3" range. I even have tighter grouping with my Norinco 45 then with the Glock.
I've tried changing the way I grip it, different ammo and the results always seem to be about the same. Up, down, left, right...

So I'm thinking it's the trigger pull or the ergo's of the gun just doesn't fit my hand ???

I don't have small hands (mechanic gloves I wear a large and they fit snug)

So I'm open for suggestions because if things don't improve, it's off the my local gun store as a trade in...
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IMO, trigger control has the biggest effect on accuracy. With the Glock, try practicing your trigger control using a barbecue lighter, the kind you can buy at the $ store. That is because the Glock's trigger feels like a BBQ lighter's trigger, except the BBQ trigger is heavier than the Glock's. "Shoot" or "dry fire" the BBQ lighter every night for a week, to condition your trigger finger muscles. Then you will notice how easy it is to shoot the Glock accurately.
 
BC_Mark said:
Sorry I meant to say "It may have been innovative and definitely simple and light but it would be a bit of a stretch to label it one of the best guns ever made". I wont argue that the gun is not popular and marketed very well I just don't think its all that great. Also, I have family members who are in the service in three different countries and none of them use Glocks and the Heckler & Koch VP70 predates the Clock 17 by 12 years and was the first polymere-framed pistol ever made.
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You should do some more research and broaden your data base. Yes the VP70 predates the glock but it was a failure and nowhere near as innovative as a Glock. In less than 20 years glock has become the most widely issued pistol on the planet. It also has the fewest parts, highest capacity(the 17) and an unbeatable record for reliability. Close to a dozen companies have tried to copy the design. Not bad for a company that's been making guns for a little over 30 years. The 1911 outside of the USA is an oddity. The obsession with 45acp and blind patriotic faith have kept it alive, and not in its original format.

No doubt the 1911 started the evolution for quality autos but its way past its prime, about 75 years past its prime. There hasn't been a pistol in history that has gained the acceptance and popularity like glocks.

I guess its "one" important gun in history. :rolleyes:

Tdc

Eta: glocks have 3 passive safeties which keep the gun from firing until you depress the trigger. There are no positive/active safeties for you to forget. Control layout from full size to subcompact and across all calibres is identical. Magazine compatible across the same calibres from full size to sub compact. Capable of safely being fired under water(9mm only). All attributes that most other brands can't boast about.
 
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I don't like Glocks. They are blocky, ugly and less refined than more modern polymer striker fired guns.
That being said, I own a couple and they shoot accurately enough for what they're designed for, spare parts are easy to obtain, and they tend to be more reliable even with wimpy ammo vs. some European guns that are sprung for hot 9mm NATO spec. ammo.
 
I used to think the same thing.

Owned several P30, and here I am now, sold everything else and shooting Glock (and doing very well with it, better than with the HK).
Simplicity is beauty. Less is more.

Cheers!


Gundoggy said:
I don't like Glocks. They are blocky, ugly and less refined than more modern polymer striker fired guns.
That being said, I own a couple and they shoot accurately enough for what they're designed for, spare parts are easy to obtain, and they tend to be more reliable even with wimpy ammo vs. some European guns that are sprung for hot 9mm NATO spec. ammo.
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I can't believe this thread is 18 pages long and it's the first I've seen it.
TDC, Dietz and a couple others are on the money.
If you can't shoot well you need training, you don't need lighter connectors or different sights, you need to learn to shoot.
I've never had any training but I want to take some courses. I'm not too bad with any pistol, revolver or rifle I get my hands on but I know that with some professional training I could be much better.

One technique that helped me when I got my first Glock was some advice I read that suggested putting a quarter on top of the slide during dry fire practice at home and then practice your trigger pull till you can dry fire the pistol without the quarter falling off.
The earlier advice about the laser is similar and I use one as well. Point at a mark on the wall with the laser on and dry fire the pistol, if the laser doesn't stay exactly on target through the entire trigger pull you need more practice.

I'm not going to comment on all the other stupid posts as most have been addressed by the few actual knowledgeable shooters here.
There is nothing wrong with the pistol, if you can't shoot it then it's you. Don't be lazy, take the time to actually learn to use it.
If I could only have one pistol it would be a Gen 4 G21, 41 or G21SF. I would go with G20 but I have a SL 10mm conversion barrel for my 21SF so it's just as good as owning a G20 :)
 
I hate Glocks too. But mine is an honest hate and is not based on anything like reason or logic. I hate the looks of them, I hate the feel of them and I refuse to be reasoned with on this topic.

A couple years ago some pikers had just gotten their first pistol - a Glock in .45 GAP. To my chagrin they set up on the rifle range (a no-no at my range) ... and started flogging at the 100m gong. They were hooting and laughing and smacking that gong as often as they missed it! When they did miss...they didn't miss by much. They were shooting from a bench and sandbags...but still...1 ft. groups at 100 yards is nothing to sneeze at. My panties were in a serious twist that day because here was a gun that I hated and loathed...shooting like a champ! In the hands of newbies, no less! Goddammit!!!! They didn't even have the DECENCY to shoot .45 ACP - it was that .45 GAP crap that I hated just on general principles!!!

I think it is okay to hate certain guns just as it is to love certain others. As long as we are honest about it, it's all good. I have had good guns I can't hit with too. I can't shoot a Winchester 94 to save my life, and the stock sights on Ruger 10/22's just leave me sucking swamp water. I would love to shoot them but the gun gods have forbidden them to me. (Or maybe it was Darwin and Murphy? May God rot their balls!)

Your hands and target will tell you which guns are worthy and which aren't...and sometimes they won't be reasoned with either.
 
most likely trigger control. it happens to me the first time when I played with Glock 22 and Sig 250 9mm as well. It was much worse than I do with Glock 21 and HK P30L. All factors, grip ergo, ballistic and trigger control, play a role, but trigger is the most important fundamental. And I can only use medium grip on my guns.

Steel355 said:
Here's why...

I picked up a Glock 22 RTF Gen 3 about a little over a month ago. I've fired approx 500 round through it in that time. And I have that worst grouping with this gun... At 7 meters I have at best 7" to 8" grouping with it, With my CZ SP-01 Shadow I'm in the 2" to max 3" range. I even have tighter grouping with my Norinco 45 then with the Glock.
I've tried changing the way I grip it, different ammo and the results always seem to be about the same. Up, down, left, right...

So I'm thinking it's the trigger pull or the ergo's of the gun just doesn't fit my hand ???

I don't have small hands (mechanic gloves I wear a large and they fit snug)

So I'm open for suggestions because if things don't improve, it's off the my local gun store as a trade in...
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One Lung Wonder said:
I hate Glocks too. But mine is an honest hate and is not based on anything like reason or logic. I hate the looks of them, I hate the feel of them and I refuse to be reasoned with on this topic.

A couple years ago some pikers had just gotten their first pistol - a Glock in .45 GAP. To my chagrin they set up on the rifle range (a no-no at my range) ... and started flogging at the 100m gong. They were hooting and laughing and smacking that gong as often as they missed it! When they did miss...they didn't miss by much. They were shooting from a bench and sandbags...but still...1 ft. groups at 100 yards is nothing to sneeze at. My panties were in a serious twist that day because here was a gun that I hated and loathed...shooting like a champ! In the hands of newbies, no less! Goddammit!!!! They didn't even have the DECENCY to shoot .45 ACP - it was that .45 GAP crap that I hated just on general principles!!!

I think it is okay to hate certain guns just as it is to love certain others. As long as we are honest about it, it's all good. I have had good guns I can't hit with too. I can't shoot a Winchester 94 to save my life, and the stock sights on Ruger 10/22's just leave me sucking swamp water. I would love to shoot them but the gun gods have forbidden them to me. (Or maybe it was Darwin and Murphy? May God rot their balls!)

Your hands and target will tell you which guns are worthy and which aren't...and sometimes they won't be reasoned with either.
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Wrong.... Its you that can't shoot, not the firearms. Removing mechanical issues such as poorly installed sights its 100% the user that makes or breaks the shot. You can lie to yourself all day long and blame the tool but we all know its the user that needs work, so don't try and sell crazy here...

TDC
 
tdc said:
its entirely you that sucks. Learn to shoot, get some quality professional training and practice.

The vast majority of glock haters i've ever seen have no clue what trigger control is nor do they understand the fundamentals. The glock trigger or any da trigger for that matter do not cover up bad form like the sa trigger on say a 1911.
This bs about grip angle and texture, weight, shape, what month it was made etc etc is just bs excuses from people who have no idea what they're doing.

Tdc
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ouch
 
other than improving upon your trigger control. another suggestion is that you sell this to me for $300. even though I want a glock 22 gen 4 to compare with my M&P40, I just can't stand seeing you suffer and want to put you out of your misery. :bump:

Steel355 said:
Here's why...

I picked up a Glock 22 RTF Gen 3 about a little over a month ago. I've fired approx 500 round through it in that time. And I have that worst grouping with this gun... At 7 meters I have at best 7" to 8" grouping with it, With my CZ SP-01 Shadow I'm in the 2" to max 3" range. I even have tighter grouping with my Norinco 45 then with the Glock.
I've tried changing the way I grip it, different ammo and the results always seem to be about the same. Up, down, left, right...

So I'm thinking it's the trigger pull or the ergo's of the gun just doesn't fit my hand ???

I don't have small hands (mechanic gloves I wear a large and they fit snug)

So I'm open for suggestions because if things don't improve, it's off the my local gun store as a trade in...
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wood800 said:
Glocks suck, have shot about 6 different ones, not for me, but if it fits your taste good for you
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So because you can't adapt to a new pistol that means they suck?
Nothing like quitting because you're not good at something right away. That's exactly what I try to teach my kids not to do.
 
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