New Back Stop
- Thread starter A.T.R.
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Tottenham Gun Nut
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- Tottenham, Ontario
You guys should open a second location. Say West of highway 400 ; )
Would be nice if someone partnered up with the Peel Gun Club. They already have a 70 meter long building used for archery and they want to build an indoor range.
Would be nice if someone partnered up with the Peel Gun Club. They already have a 70 meter long building used for archery and they want to build an indoor range.
northern_iight
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- Location
- scarborough
any word on the back stop? I really want to join grange/target sports, but waiting on the new back stop to be installed.
If you have been in lately, you will see that we have already started on a number of renovations, all starting in the "members" bay first.
Backstop, baffle , HVAC and target retrieval replacements are all in the cards but will be done over time.
An engineering firm has been contracted to sort out the baffles and HVAC first as these need to be designed from scratch due to the width of the bays.
We expect these to be in the works within a couple of months (starting, not finished).
The backstop is after that. We are still deciding on designs.
JR
Backstop, baffle , HVAC and target retrieval replacements are all in the cards but will be done over time.
An engineering firm has been contracted to sort out the baffles and HVAC first as these need to be designed from scratch due to the width of the bays.
We expect these to be in the works within a couple of months (starting, not finished).
The backstop is after that. We are still deciding on designs.
JR
Its actually not a simple question. The backstop will take it, it its all of the upgrades like the baffles amd sound proofing that need to be considered as well.
The first priority is new ventilation. This starts over the next couple of months as equipment has been ordered but takes time to be built.
JR
+1
can someone explain to me , since I am not getting the proper answer.
Target sport , you can buy frangible, but cannot take with you home (CFO orders)
Kate from ammo supplies sell Frangible, and will ship to your house
So who is right or who is wrong , or partially right or wrong, or maybe I should call the CFO
can someone explain to me , since I am not getting the proper answer.
Target sport , you can buy frangible, but cannot take with you home (CFO orders)
Kate from ammo supplies sell Frangible, and will ship to your house
So who is right or who is wrong , or partially right or wrong, or maybe I should call the CFO
I am a member at Target and I was in their earlier today.
No ETA on restocking frangible .223 because the backstop renovations will allow use of "normal" ammunition. I'm assuming FMJ ammo that passes the magnet test.
HOWEVER, also no ETA on the backstop renovations being complete and receiving CFO approval. So could be months before I get to shoot my AR15 again...me no likey this.
So I showed the staff the webpage of the Federal frangible ammo for sale from AmmoSupply.ca and they were quite interested. I have seen LEO's at Target Sports feeding their own department issue soft point frangible ammo through their department issued AR15's at the range, for what it's worth. I have also privately purchased frangible .223 and used it at Target before, with permission from staff. However now staff is unsure if I am allowed to bring in outside frangible, and told me to email the GM and ask.
I have sent an email to the General Manager asking if we can buy this stuff and use it at the range in the meantime.
Frangible ammunition is NOT ILLEGAL in Canada. The definition of prohibited ammunition under the law does not include frangible ammunition. Lots of varmint hunting ammunition is in fact "frangible". I can only assume that it is one of those things that gets tricky to import or something. Why Target Sports is under "orders from the CFO" to not sell to the public, I don't know.
I will keep you updated with what I hear back from the GM about using this Federal frangible at the range.
No ETA on restocking frangible .223 because the backstop renovations will allow use of "normal" ammunition. I'm assuming FMJ ammo that passes the magnet test.
HOWEVER, also no ETA on the backstop renovations being complete and receiving CFO approval. So could be months before I get to shoot my AR15 again...me no likey this.
So I showed the staff the webpage of the Federal frangible ammo for sale from AmmoSupply.ca and they were quite interested. I have seen LEO's at Target Sports feeding their own department issue soft point frangible ammo through their department issued AR15's at the range, for what it's worth. I have also privately purchased frangible .223 and used it at Target before, with permission from staff. However now staff is unsure if I am allowed to bring in outside frangible, and told me to email the GM and ask.
I have sent an email to the General Manager asking if we can buy this stuff and use it at the range in the meantime.
Frangible ammunition is NOT ILLEGAL in Canada. The definition of prohibited ammunition under the law does not include frangible ammunition. Lots of varmint hunting ammunition is in fact "frangible". I can only assume that it is one of those things that gets tricky to import or something. Why Target Sports is under "orders from the CFO" to not sell to the public, I don't know.
I will keep you updated with what I hear back from the GM about using this Federal frangible at the range.
I heard back from the GM of Target Sports.
Right now they are not allowing any frangible on the range. No explanation was given, I have asked why it was okay before but not now while the renovations start.
I can't say I'm very happy with this situation, we pay VERY high membership fees for a "modern, state of the art" facility. Well I'd like a store credit or something if I can't shoot my AR15 for half the year considering that is part of the reason I joined up. There is a range closer to me that is way cheaper but its indoor with no rifles allowed.
Right now they are not allowing any frangible on the range. No explanation was given, I have asked why it was okay before but not now while the renovations start.
I can't say I'm very happy with this situation, we pay VERY high membership fees for a "modern, state of the art" facility. Well I'd like a store credit or something if I can't shoot my AR15 for half the year considering that is part of the reason I joined up. There is a range closer to me that is way cheaper but its indoor with no rifles allowed.
As a new member still waiting for CLSC, I agreed with JR's priority assessment on the ventilation because even though some members said that they never had any problem for years, I still see the ROs and some members wearing full RESPIRATORS and masks. Since lead fume/dust is almost invisible and subject to personal sensitivity, it would be too late if you find out there are too high level of lead in your blood during your physical check-up.
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the reason was given by JR in his reply on page 4. see below which I copied & pasted from his post earlier.
No it wasn't. I was looking for an explanation why all of a sudden frangible was not available to purchase and not allowed for use on the range as it has been for the 3yrs I have been a member there. The answer to that which I have received since my post is that due to normal deterioration of the backstop, they did not want to use frangible rifle rounds until the new backstop is installed.
I'm not an expert in the area of ballistics but I have a hard time believing that a 50gr frangible .223 round would have a more devastating effect on the backstop than a 200gr .460 S&W handgun round.
Winchester .223 55gr Ranger Frangible ("supposed" to disintegrate on impact)
Muzzle Velocity: 3150fps
Muzzle Energy: 1212ft. lbs.
Hornady .460 S&W 200gr FTX (supposed to expand and retain weight on impact)
Muzzle Velocity: 2200fps
Muzzle Energy: 2149ft. lbs.
I haven't heard any restrictions on handgun calibers during this renovation. I just can't wrap my head around the situation is all.
You are correct.
Generally speaking, most rifle calibers have a much higher speed which is the main reason for penetration (or over penetration ) frangibles have less impact on back stops vs certain handgun calibers with FMJ, p+ etc...
Generally speaking, most rifle calibers have a much higher speed which is the main reason for penetration (or over penetration ) frangibles have less impact on back stops vs certain handgun calibers with FMJ, p+ etc...
