Tavor vs AR

I've owned nearly every semi auto, NR rifle in .223 including 2 Tagore, 4 T97's and 3 XCR's. I've also owned more than a dozen AR's both factory and self built. I've owned high and low end.

I loved my Tavor. I loved that it was NR, I lived the ergonomics a lot, I loved the reliability and how clean it ran. It was MORE than accurate enough for me to shoot competitions and plink around at 50-100 yards (which is as far as I ever shoot). I liked everything about the Tavor other than price and the trigger. Though I got used to the trigger. I put 2000 rounds through my last tavor in only 4 months without a single stoppage (that's right, not ONE) and I only wiped the internals clean about every 500 rounds or so. I thought that was more than respectable.

I owned the tavor before my first AR. Once I got my RPAL I went straight out and bought a $1200 AR. It was good quality but nothing fancy and was a great gun. I liked the ergonomics and it was as accurate as my tavor though not any better. The trigger was definitely better but I just felt more comfortable with the tavor. But at the end of the day, for range use... A $1200 AR was no worse than my $2700 Tavor. Thing I didn't like most about the AR was how dirty it was. After 500 rounds it was just full of crap. Still ran fine but I'm picky about having a clean gun so it bugged me. Eventually I built myself a super high end, piston SBR AR... Total cost was $2500 and it included a competition trigger and full piston conversion as well as all the ergonomic upgrades like mag and bolt releases and extended charge handle etc. I still have this gun and it runs clean even after 500-1000 rounds it's as clean as any tavor. It's ergonomically equal to a tavor (different but equal in terms of usability). It's a lot lighter than my tavor and it's more accurate.

At the same time I owned the tavor and my current AR I owned a T97 with the FTU. I paid $1000 for it super lightly used and in mint condition. The FTU solves all the stupid optical problems the gun has stock. Trigger is better than a tavor but no where near as good as even a low end AR. Not in the same galaxy as a competition AR trigger. The safety sucks... No other way to say it. It's terrible and I prefer to use a safety as much as possible. It was annoying but not something that made me hate the gun. The mag release is certainly NOT as good as an AR or Tavor but I got VERY good with it (right hand stays on the grip, left hand releases and drops mag then inserts new one) in a speed test, only seconds behind the tavor and at the end of the day, more than good enough for me. It was every bit as accurate as my tavor or lower cost AR... Maybe better than the tavor. It ran clean and mine was very reliable with only a few stoppages in a few thousand rounds. With a little work I got all mags to drop free including Pmags. I sold that T97 but have since bought another FTU equipped gun that was brand new and after selling some included optics I have $800 into it... Total.

So here's my take on all 3. First, the most important concern is Restricted or not. This will factor out the AR immediately. If it doesn't matter you move to price... This could factor out the tavor immediately. If class and price are no issue you need to think about what traits of a gun are most important. The. Figure out which one has more of those traits. An AR can pretty much be modified to do or feel any way you want it to. For the same money as a TAvor you can have an AR that will be every bit as clean and ergonomic but possibly more accurate and lighter with a better trigger.

If you've got tavor kind if $$ to spend and want an NR but also want a great range gun you have one other option. You can buy a used T97 with FTU for $1100 or less ... Use this as your camping/off range plinking/hunting gun. It does these things very well in an affordable package. Than spend the $1300-1500 you have left over on a nice used AR. There are loads of Daniel Defence and other great brands out there you can pick up in mint shape for $12-1500. Buying a T97 and a good quality AR for the same money as a Tavor is getting the best of both worlds. It's currently what I'm running and I have no complaints. My T97 is a great off range gun where quick safety action and mag changes aren't a big issue. And any $12-1500 AR will be more than good enough for plinking at the range or shooting competitions. And even that mid level AR can be upgraded with any ergonomic goodies or triggers you feel will improve it for how you shoot.

The Tavor is a fantastic gun... But for the money I think you can have the best of both worlds if your a savvy shopper.
 
I was in no way making a point about Tavor VS T97... I was simply pointing out that if a Tavor is, essentially, on par with a mid level AR at the range in terms of accuracy, ergonomics and reliability but you WANT to have a cool gun to take in the bush with you as well... a possible alternative is to buy a good AR for range use AND A T97 to satisfy your need for a unique bull pup thats semi auto an non restricted for off range use.

If you gave me a massive cheque and said "buy what you want" id keep my current AR and replace my T97 with a Tavor. But if your working in a $2500-3000 budget a mid level AR and T97 will do the same as what a Tavor will do on its own.

Side benefit... you get to have 2 guns... which fills up the safe more and makes you feel good every time you open it.
 
To some people, the tavor just feel better and it is overall better than the T97...and they are willing to pay the price for the tavor.
To some other people, they rather spend less and get the T97 and they dont mind T97.
 
I think Tavor worth the price double of T97, but I also think T97 should be priced the same as Norinco's AR, about $500-$700 range!
 
The best twist rate for 5.56 round is 1 in 8. Mil spec ars are 1 in 7 because the military often uses a 62 grain bullet with a few tracer rounds in the clip wich are heavier. 1 in 7 stabilizes 77 grain rounds better then a 1 in9 twist. The 1 in9 will do very well with 50 ,52,55,62 and 69 grain bullets. The 1 in 8 will do it all. I have a commercial built ar that has 5500 rounds without a hick up but it needs some rings lol for 12 dollars.

Clip?
 
I like AR's, nice and customizable, comfortable wicked cool to look at, but I am one of those guys who really wants to love the rifle, but of love my tavor just a little bit more, wicked comfortable, soo light when shouldered and I love the way you have to change magazines as well. It's very nice to carry slung in the bush and is quite the looker as well.
 
Well today I get to try a T97 So Ill report back on witch one I like better... Maybe i'll sell the Tavor and buy a T97 you never know !!!!

DEBRUSK519 I love AR's as much as the next guy, But Range toys are useless for me...
 
Well today I get to try a T97 So Ill report back on witch one I like better... Maybe i'll sell the Tavor and buy a T97 you never know !!!!

DEBRUSK519 I love AR's as much as the next guy, But Range toys are useless for me...

Im talking about the AR 15, set aside its status in Canada. The RCMP's absurd fear based classification system is not a fault on the rifle. AR 15, better platform.
 
Dollar for dollar the AR is 10x the rifle compared to the Tavor. That being said the Tavor is NR so that and the bullpup cool factor make it desirable.
 
A guns only good if you can shoot it :) if the range is closed your AR looks cool sitting in your gun safe all locked up for safety while Tavor owners are out enjoying the outdoors and shooting their gun. A range only weapon is pretty much pointless, I just saw a message on one of the local gun stores windows saying you cannot shoot FMJ bullets at the local range and you will be banned if you do. Doesn't that pretty much end the use of the cheap bulk ammo you can buy ?
 
^^^ That might be true of that one range but it isn't true of all ranges. I'm guessing the range you are talking about is indoors?

The crux of this whole thread can be boiled down to NR vs. R, bullpup vs. std. Both rifles are wonderful, beautiful, reliable, battle proven and are accurate enough stock for most people. Both can be accessorized to the nth degree. It all comes down to which floats your boat! For those who can afford it, buy both and don't worry about it anymore!
Some days you feel like an AR, some days you feel like a Tavor!
 
A guns only good if you can shoot it :) if the range is closed your AR looks cool sitting in your gun safe all locked up for safety while Tavor owners are out enjoying the outdoors and shooting their gun. A range only weapon is pretty much pointless, I just saw a message on one of the local gun stores windows saying you cannot shoot FMJ bullets at the local range and you will be banned if you do. Doesn't that pretty much end the use of the cheap bulk ammo you can buy ?

Useless for you maybe. If my range is closed I have plenty of other toys to use. If I'm really desperate to do some shooting I can always go to the indoor range in Edmonton.
The same also applies to winter when it's -30 outside, I doubt you will be doing a lot of shooting and if you have access to an indoor range then again it doesn't matter what the classification is.

The problem for most people around major cities such as Edmonton in my case is there is no crown land within over an hour drive to even use a non restricted. For a lot of people restricted or non restricted really doesn't make much difference. I believe we should all have a few of each. That's why I own 5 AR's and a non restricted ACR.

As for the no using FMJ at some ranges, well that's just stupid and you can blame all the douchbags that go out there and think it's funny to blow holes in the target stands. I think banning the idiots who do that is a much better solution. Same goes for the a$$holes who go to the range with their 12ga and unload boxes of buckshot into the plywood thinking it's funny to blow holes in the wood others use to staple their targets to.
We are our own worst enemy sometimes and it surprises me just how stupid some people are when it comes to destroying the equipment at a facility they paid money to join.
 
Yes the NR black rifles can legally be shot at other places than official ranges, but keep in mind that any LEO's that see you will assume the gun is restricted, and often will confiscate and then make you jump through hoops to get it back. And sometimes they will lay a bunch of bull#### charges. There are plenty of threads on this.
 
Yes the NR black rifles can legally be shot at other places than official ranges, but keep in mind that any LEO's that see you will assume the gun is restricted, and often will confiscate and then make you jump through hoops to get it back. And sometimes they will lay a bunch of bull#### charges. There are plenty of threads on this.
I completely agree with this!
That's why when I do go into the woods, I bring my fudd looking Win lever .44 mag. I don't even bring my shotgun as it's black coloured and scary looking. Any black semi auto will get you attention, like it or not, that is the stupid world we live in! LEOs mist generally be racist. They don't like black guns!!
 
Yes the NR black rifles can legally be shot at other places than official ranges, but keep in mind that any LEO's that see you will assume the gun is restricted, and often will confiscate and then make you jump through hoops to get it back. And sometimes they will lay a bunch of bull#### charges. There are plenty of threads on this.


Pack the relevant FRT - always be prepared for self decence by using the law and the facts.
 
Yes the NR black rifles can legally be shot at other places than official ranges, but keep in mind that any LEO's that see you will assume the gun is restricted, and often will confiscate and then make you jump through hoops to get it back. And sometimes they will lay a bunch of bull#### charges. There are plenty of threads on this.

I'm not going to let their ignorance stop me from having fun, I plan to shoot a deer this fall with my NR ACR with the 300 Blackout conversion I built for it.
 
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