MauroUlisse
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- Woodbridge
If you looking at spending that kind of cash go for the AR. More options
Tavor vs AR
- Thread starter LMWIS
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I think that you would be hard pressed to find many credible sources that would say that the Tavor is better handling and more reliable than an AR15.
No question—it's an attention-getter at the range.
A longer barrel does nothing to increase accuracy, it actually hurts accuracy. The advantage they have is they are capable of giving higher velocity (with the use of the right powder) which results in better trajectory and better ability to buck the wind but the barrel needs to be made a heavier contour to reduce barrel whip in order to achieve the save consistent harmonics a short barrel has. A short barrel suffers less from the affects of barrel whip and has better harmonics.
This only applies to two barrels of equal quality cut to different specs, you can't compare a Tavor barrel to a match grade barrel and expect the same results.
For me I think it's better to sacrifice a little velocity and dial up the turret a couple more clicks to reach out longer distances. Tighter groups result in more hits on target at long range.
Not more reliable, maybe equal. Both rifles are capable of running thousands of rounds with little more than a couple drops of oil every now and then. Keep in mind that should you ever need them parts are stocked and available for the AR at most firearms retailers but parts for a Tavor would need to be ordered.
I'm not trying to bash the Tavor but it's just not for me. I like bullpups but the Tavor just doesn't make me "need" to own one. I've owned or at least shot almost every 223 we have available to us in Canada restricted or non and for $2500+ I can find better options.
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ChrisAlston
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- Calgary, Alberta
For those saying you will end up owning both, I agree 100 percent. I own both a Daniel Defense AR and a Tavor. I think I would break down and cry if I had to choose just one, I love them both.
The Tavor being non restricted is its biggest advantage, although I think it is rather overpriced. Awesome rifle nonetheless- great balance, great ergo's, very reliable and just plain cool.
The AR is literally like lego. Any configuration you want is possible, and I feel like I can definitely achieve better accuracy with it, though I really don't obsess over that very much. I suppose if AR's were non restricted I would probably prefer them overall, as for the price of a Tavor you can get a really nice AR complete with any accessories you may want. I'm also inherently more comfortable with the AR, as I've owned one for a long time and it was the first firearm I really ever learned about/trained with from my time in the CF.
Ultimately I say it comes down to classification. If you want NR and can handle the price, Tavor it is. If restricted suits you fine, I would go AR. You can't go wrong either way. You'll eventually end up with both anyway lol..
The Tavor being non restricted is its biggest advantage, although I think it is rather overpriced. Awesome rifle nonetheless- great balance, great ergo's, very reliable and just plain cool.
The AR is literally like lego. Any configuration you want is possible, and I feel like I can definitely achieve better accuracy with it, though I really don't obsess over that very much. I suppose if AR's were non restricted I would probably prefer them overall, as for the price of a Tavor you can get a really nice AR complete with any accessories you may want. I'm also inherently more comfortable with the AR, as I've owned one for a long time and it was the first firearm I really ever learned about/trained with from my time in the CF.
Ultimately I say it comes down to classification. If you want NR and can handle the price, Tavor it is. If restricted suits you fine, I would go AR. You can't go wrong either way. You'll eventually end up with both anyway lol..
onetwentyish
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- East Central AB (AKA Northern Texas)
In my opinion, the Tavor is most certainly more reliable. The thing is built like a tank. If you had 1 AR and 1 Tavor and shot the piss out of them both, with out cleaning or anything, I would bet my last dollar the AR would run into trouble 1st.
As for handling, I find those who pick each one up and try it for the first time back to back to one another prefer several things about the Tavor over an AR after a test drive of each.
The things they prefer are:
-weight balance is at the rear, allows for extended shouldering at ready with out tiring, as well as makes it more pointable.
-charging handle
-bolt release location
-general ergonomics/body shaped for gripping
-compact package with a long barrel.
Things disliked:
-The factory trigger.
How many AR's have you owned, shot, or played with?
If you've only ever used a Tavor then of course you would think it's the best.
andrew3081
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- Vancouver, BC
Get tavor if u want non Resticted.
Ar15 is good rifle but at the end of the day.. It is only a range toy.
Ar15 is good rifle but at the end of the day.. It is only a range toy.
onetwentyish
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- East Central AB (AKA Northern Texas)
Like I said, in my opinion. I sure dont hear many problems with tavors on either side of the border that are not user error or mag problems. I also believe that the Tavor can out last an AR without cleaning naturaly due to the differences in gas system.
I have shot 2 ARs, fondled numerous ARs but never owned any due to status. I can tell you I would own 3 ARs if they were NR.
Look, the Tavor is a great, fun rifle. But I stand by my original contention—finding truly knowledgable users familiar with both rifles who prefer the handling and reliability of the Tavor will be difficult. If the Tavor was restricted here it'd be in the same category as the FS2000—a good but oddball rifle that's relegated to a curiosity. And that's coming from an FS2000 owner.
samsplacci71
Regular
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- Toronto area
You still need to swap the trigger for the Tavor to be remotely fun to shoot. My Type 97 has a better trigger than the Tavor. Unless you are dead set on owning a NR black rifle, the choice seems obvious to me.
It seems as if this thread has come to some controversy. I have 5 ARs. A DPMS .308, 2 Colts- an H bar and a Vietnam era Sporter with no bolt assist, a Norinco CQB and a NEA 7.5 barrel PDW. I also have a Tavor and a T97. I find all these firearms to be accurate and reliable. I think that sometimes people like to bash the Norincos and the NEAs, possibly due to lack of knowledge or lack of experience with said firearms. I have noticed a similar occurrence with the Norinco 1911 clones. People say that these are junk, but the ones I have function well. There seems to be a bit of elitism at work here. The people who bash these guns probably have never shot them. I love them all.
i have changed out the factory triggers, or have had them modified by a gunsmith, on every single firearm I've owned, this is not just a Tavor issue. Lets just face it, triggers that come factory with rifles are pretty much only different by their slight varying degrees of horrible.
Still alive
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- Rainy mosquito infested part of BC
A Tavor in the bush beats two ARs at the range. Sorry! Couldn't resist! I genuinely love both!
The best twist rate for 5.56 round is 1 in 8. Mil spec ars are 1 in 7 because the military often uses a 62 grain bullet with a few tracer rounds in the clip wich are heavier. 1 in 7 stabilizes 77 grain rounds better then a 1 in9 twist. The 1 in9 will do very well with 50 ,52,55,62 and 69 grain bullets. The 1 in 8 will do it all. I have a commercial built ar that has 5500 rounds without a hick up but it needs some rings lol for 12 dollars.
There is another side to that coin, im sure someone will start making competition parts for the tavor and after many many years or research and development, it could equal or surpass an ar 15 and variants. At that point in time ill probably buy one.
