I heard about this a couple of weeks ago from Xtreme Gun, it's my home gun range. I haven't said anything detailed about it as it's still a developing situation but this thread spilled the beans as it were. Extreme expects to get a sample for testing soon and are going to shoot it till it breaks, or not. The details are the same as reported here so nothing new on that score. We'll see. If I hear anything I can report I will otherwise I'll wait on the official announcement like everyone else.
New Non-res Black Rifle - Jard J48
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Well assuming this rifle has a frt# already that means it was submitted to the RCMP firearms lab at least 2 years ago for classification. I find it strange that there is really nothing published about this rifle in the 2 year time span since a working rifle was submitted.
Also I find it strange that a American company would build a rifle that has no real place in the American firearms market. This thing as seen won't sell IMO in the states.
It also seems strange that this rifle seems purpose made for the Canadian market by a American company.
In the end, I'm willing to bet its nothing more then vapour ware.
Also I find it strange that a American company would build a rifle that has no real place in the American firearms market. This thing as seen won't sell IMO in the states.
It also seems strange that this rifle seems purpose made for the Canadian market by a American company.
In the end, I'm willing to bet its nothing more then vapour ware.
If you had bothered to read the very first page of this thread, you would have seen that there is indeed a published FRT as non-restricted.
So as usual, your empty assumptions and deductions can be ignored.
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Well my first assumption is correct that this rifle was submitted at least two years ago for classification. That is minimum time it takes nowadays for anything black rifle related to get through The RCMP classification process. So I'm right there. There is no disputing that. Although you being you I'm sure you will.
My second observation is also correct that there is very little published in the last two years of this rifles existence about this rifle. Once again I'm right about that. But please feel free to rebut my empty assumption by posting multiple web links, pictures, news articles and YouTube videos other then the video in the first post of this thread.
Third, my observation about this rifle having marketability in the American firearm market is also correct. This thing will not sell Stateside when AR-15's are so cheap down there. There is nothing special about this rifle to set this apart from anything else currently on the market in the States.
Fourth, it is strange that a American company would design a rifle, then submit it for a FRT# in Canada before its even released for sale anywhere else. Canada is such a niche market, designing a brand new rifle, ground up for retail sale in Canada to make a profit wont happen. I stand by what I said, this gun is most likely vapour ware and will never hit retail sale in the States or here either.
If you have any non empty assumptions, deductions, insights or relevant information to contribute to this thread you started about the Jard J48, please do so. Cause right about now you sound like a fanboy of potential vapour ware who gets but hurt when anyone says anything negative or contrary to your opinions.
Well my first assumption is correct that this rifle was submitted at least two years ago for classification. That is minimum time it takes nowadays for anything black rifle related to get through The RCMP classification process. So I'm right there. There is no disputing that. Although you being you I'm sure you will.
prove it. Were you part of the process? Have you ever submitted a gun for classification? What is your expertise?
So whats your point?
What are your credentials in terms of market analysis?
So?
Still waiting on hearing about your credentials....
I like when people say that, it usually shows they want to save face by reaffirming their shaky stance.
Ah, so you don't know, yet make definitive statements?
If you have any non empty assumptions, deductions, insights or relevant information to contribute to this thread you started about the Jard J48, please do so. Cause right about now you sound like a fanboy of potential vapour ware who gets but hurt when anyone says anything negative or contrary to your opinions.
This gun exists, it has an FRT, it is non-restricted. No vapours here. How about that for relevant information? Those are all facts. All I see you do on these forums is go around looking for occasions to whine.
Lets face it, you only want to hear yourself talk with your pseudo market analysis, hoping someone will think you sound intelligent.
If you expressed an opinion, I wouldn't care (like when you said it looked ugly). But thats not what you do here. You as usual make a few hollow observations only to make a definitive statement as if you had figured it all out for the whole world.
I shared factual info about a new Canada-legal gun. What have you contributed again?
Go troll somewhere else, my thread was doing just fine before you tried to alleviate your boredom...
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I was not given any info regarding that. I can try to find out more though. Pretty sure no one sells them just yet, as it is not even on the manufacturers website. But could ask if a projected price is known.
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Ill stick to my type 97
And what do you think of the Norinco Type 97 appearance?
This thing blows that POS away in the "looks" department...
Hope it's reliable... I'd buy one of these if it's reliable and accurate
Overall look of the type 97 is ok in my books. The carry handle doesn't do much for me. However when the carry handle is removed and the FTU kit installed it looks a little better.
However comparing the 97 to this rifle is like comparing apples to oranges considering one rifle is conventional style while the other is a bullpup. A more valid comparison would be, what do I think of the looks of the Thureon Defense or Just Right Carbine compared to the Jard.
Not 100% correct. Recently the alexander arms Ulfberht was given a NR FRT within a couple months and without an inspection according to the retailerWell my first assumption is correct that this rifle was submitted at least two years ago for classification. That is minimum time it takes nowadays for anything black rifle related to get through The RCMP classification process. So I'm right there. There is no disputing that. Although you being you I'm sure you will.
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Rifles of a military type (ie full auto types) are longer at the lab. Civilian designs are less time.
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Why is the type 81 taking so long if this took 2 years
+1. My days of buying guns as soon as the come out are over. I prefer to wait a while and let them work out all the bugs before I buy. This one does show promise. Good on them for keeping things quiet until an FRT# is obtained. Probably saved us a couple dozen threads and thousands of posts about how much we are willing/not willing to pay, what features everyone wants, and whining about ETA's.
Newly designed black rifles not receiving verification inspections upon entry to Canada by the RCMP? The media, antis and libtards would have a hay day with that, if that was happening, considering the reclassification issues we seem to be having as of late. Since 2010 and the original T97's anything black or red has been fully 100% been inspected.
Since Armtac will be the retailer of these rifles in Canada I would assume you are referring to them making this claim that FRT# turn around time was a short couple of months and it wasn't inspected. If Armtac actually claimed this, I find this a dubious claim at best. Can you please post, link or quote something where they or said retailer claim this? My search about the ULFBERHT classification time frame came back with 0 results.
The type 81 is past 2 years now awaiting a number. The Masterpiece Arms MPAR-556 is well past 2 years and this one is a civilian design. Beretta ARX100 is going on 2 years. Im willing to bet since the ULFBERHT has been in development for 6 years now and is still in development, it was submitted a while back and it took its turn like every other black rifle out there.
through phone conversation with them, they have the rifle listed on this forum. I contacted them earlier this year about the rifle and told it was not something they would bring in and alexander arms has just started shipping them now, even buying direct would not have gotten you a rifle any sooner to submit for inspection. I was actually going to buy it direct once they were ready to ship and was in contact with alexander arms to get it.
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Again, if a rifle has a military linked heritage the lab gives it a closer look, and it takes longer. Generally speaking its guns that have versions in full auto. The RPD, the Type 81, etc.
If the rifle is a new design, with no distinct military heritage, its not too long in comparison. The Jard is an example. No real military link.
If the rifle is a new design, with no distinct military heritage, its not too long in comparison. The Jard is an example. No real military link.
