Glocks and practice.....

RobertMcC said:
note the tape? Ever thought I blew out the center and tape holding things in place.
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Then what is the use of showing us a target that states 20 rounds when it's seen 200? Hey, I don't doubt that you are a fine shot but your photo is pretty misleading without an explanation.

Looks like you can indeed shoot bullseye regardless of patches and round count. Respect.
 
I love these Glock bashing threads!
My $0.02...
Last week, I shot my friend's Colt 1911 .45 with a mild trigger job for the first time. At 10yds, I grouped 1.5 inches with 8 rds.
Then I shot a no trigger job M&P 9mm at the same distance and grouped 3 inches! Did not shoot my Glock that day but I have grouped 1.5 inches with mine at that distance regularly. The Glock is bone stock. So by extending that logic, based on my skill set, the M&P sucks more than the Glock based on my grouping. However, I will never say the M&P sucks. It's my shooting that needs a bit more work. As much as TDC comes off as a know it all, he does speak the truth and the truth hurts. Most of us are not as good as our guns!
 
Still alive said:
I love these Glock bashing threads!
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Me too, and bonus points for who started the thread...

I also don't believe ANY of the distances the op writes on his targets. Could be further (no, not really), could be closer (yup, most definitely).

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The distance are real, i always appreciate seeing targets produced by some shooting gurus, it is a motivation to do better, you are welcome to show yours... JP.
 
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caramel said:
Sorry the distance are real, with withness of that everytime i do it, show us some of your targets mister police... Or maybe you dont have any to show, it would not surprise me at all that critisizing is more you forte than shooting... I get great motivation from accomplishement of gurus like you, i dream as coming as good ,one day... JP.
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caramel said:
The distance are real, i always appreciate seeing targets produced by some shooting gurus, it is a motivation to do better, you are welcome to show yours... JP.
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I think I prefer your first post to the edited one. And we must have met and know each other, since you know that criticizing is more my forte than shooting, and that I don't have any pictures of groups to show...



But just to give you something to dream about and aspire to, here's some pictures of groups I shot, all standing, unsupported. I didn't bother with calipers to measure, I only use those when shooting long guns (G17L doesn't count). For reference, the center, egg-shape is 3" high and 2" wide.

Just warming up.
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Here's another, getting more relaxed...
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And here's a slow, deliberate fired group to see how good I could do.
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Or is this the only one that you'll believe I shot at 25m since that's what I wrote on the target, and I laid the gun on the target, as well as including the date?

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Meaningless pictures that I can say what ever I want about. I could even say I had witnesses every time, and get someone to post in the thread to back me up, just like you do.

To show your skill, since you really enjoy sharing, take a video of yourself shooting the Dot Torture at 5m with one of your glocks. Based on the targets you're now posting, it's an easy challenge. I've already done it, on a course, with a handful of very skilled, reputable shooters from this site. Only one other poster here has supposedly seen you shoot....
 
wicked_police said:
I think I prefer your first post to the edited one. And we must have met and know each other, since you know that criticizing is more my forte than shooting, and that I don't have any pictures of groups to show...



But just to give you something to dream about and aspire to, here's some pictures of groups I shot, all standing, unsupported. I didn't bother with calipers to measure, I only use those when shooting long guns (G17L doesn't count). For reference, the center, egg-shape is 3" high and 2" wide.

Just warming up.
4QTIhl.jpg


Here's another, getting more relaxed...
PSjSpG.jpg


And here's a slow, deliberate fired group to see how good I could do.
Pe9UhR.jpg





Or is this the only one that you'll believe I shot at 25m since that's what I wrote on the target, and I laid the gun on the target, as well as including the date?

nYgIpe.jpg



Meaningless pictures that I can say what ever I want about. I could even say I had witnesses every time, and get someone to post in the thread to back me up, just like you do.

To show your skill, since you really enjoy sharing, take a video of yourself shooting the Dot Torture at 5m with one of your glocks. Based on the targets you're now posting, it's an easy challenge. I've already done it, on a course, with a handful of very skilled, reputable shooters from this site. Only one other poster here has supposedly seen you shoot....
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Why would i dont believe you, if shooting is for you a passion like it is for me, you know that the person important to impress is yourself... You have all the right of doubting others result, i naturally never doubt what i see but this is a shooting forum and i am proud to show a good target after shooting a lot of bad targets (Glock wise )... I think respect is important even on internet... JP.
 
Ask the absolute best shooter you know to let you watch him shoot a "palm" sized group offhand at 50 metres. Post the pic here or it did not happen.
I live beside the rated # 1 shooter in the world and I don't think he could do it more often than he can't.
So, Ya I'm calling a large BS untill I can see some proof.
 
redryder said:
Ask the absolute best shooter you know to let you watch him shoot a "palm" sized group offhand at 50 metres. Post the pic here or it did not happen.
I live beside the rated # 1 shooter in the world and I don't think he could do it more often than he can't.
So, Ya I'm calling a large BS untill I can see some proof.
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You live in France?
 
IIRC, the first time I met WP, we were in a course which required every participant to shoot a 6" steel at 100m.

It wasn't particularly easy, but neither was it particularly hard, and every single person did it. And that was group with three or four truly great shooters, and six or seven good shooters.
 
redryder said:
Ask the absolute best shooter you know to let you watch him shoot a "palm" sized group offhand at 50 metres. Post the pic here or it did not happen.
I live beside the rated # 1 shooter in the world and I don't think he could do it more often than he can't.
So, Ya I'm calling a large BS untill I can see some proof.
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Oh, I didn't realize you were the internet police. Post the pic here or it didn't happen? Really, that's the special rule? You would accept that as proof would you? So you won't mind posting pics of your #1 rated neighbour standing next to you in front of your mailbox, or you know......it must be bulls#t, right?

I really don't care if you believe it or not. I'm certainly not going to invest a significant portion of my time to try and win an argument on the internet that you could prove to yourself with a few minutes of research. If you don't believe anyone can shoot a palm-sized group at 50 meters, fine. If you don't have any interest in learning how to do it yourself, also fine, no one will stop you.

I usually try to be polite here but I see there's really no up-side to doing so since it isn't reciprocated. If your closed mind works so well for you, go ahead and keep it. I won't interfere.
 
So you haven't seen anybody do it then? Is that right?
I'm not saying it can't be done. I'm just saying that it would be real hard to do it consistently, even by the best shooters in the world.
I know for a fact that I can't do it. I doubt I could even fluke one out of a hundred tries but I would surely love to watch someone else do it.
No need to get upset about this, its just the interweb is all.
 
redryder said:
So you haven't seen anybody do it then? Is that right?
I'm not saying it can't be done. I'm just saying that it would be real hard to do it consistently, even by the best shooters in the world.
I know for a fact that I can't do it. I doubt I could even fluke one out of a hundred tries but I would surely love to watch someone else do it.
No need to get upset about this, its just the interweb is all.
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No, that isn't right. I realize you can't do it and can't accept it, but that doesn't make it not true. Trust me; there are plenty of people on these forums who routinely practice group shooting at all distances out to 50 meters, as do I. I also know some of the best shooters in the world and know for a fact they can do it; they are a whole world of skill better than me. In international competition they have to be able to shoot accurately at all distances out to 50 and sometimes beyond, and do it on the clock. Here's a tip: shotting a 2" group at 25 meters is the same as shooting a 4" group at 50. Sound so tough now?

And I'm not upset. I simply detest discourtesy and on a forum such as this, it's supposed to be about an exchange of ideas, not a pissing contest. And every time someone asks a question it seems to degrade rapidly into a pissing contest or a string of insults, which I find frustrating. And "it's just the "interweb" is not in my opinion, a good reason to be rude to people you know nothing about. You can disagree with someone without being insulting.
 
Well I just read thru this whole thread and I must say...I am entertained! Normally i'm the first to rag on Caramel for his precision rifle antics but ragging on him for putting a lighter trigger in his glock (which is likely manufactured BY glock, so that right there tells you something about their stock triggers) is stupid. He needed something to restore his faith in them and he loves shooting them now. So whats the problem? And as for the fist size offhand groups at 50m? With anything other than a fully custom match accurized ipsc standard or open racegun...good luck. A stock glock could forget about that challenge. Period. I had a fully custom glock 35 that couldn't do that out of a ransom rest. Anyways, Caramel I approve of your lighter trigger if it works for you and it keeps you shooting.
 
swissinn said:
And as for the fist size offhand groups at 50m? With anything other than a fully custom match accurized ipsc standard or open racegun...good luck. A stock glock could forget about that challenge. Period. I had a fully custom glock 35 that couldn't do that out of a ransom rest.
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That's probably true but I'd add certain Production guns to the list and decent revolvers. CZ's are accurate, as are Tanfoglios and some others. Yet, while Glocks weren't really designed as target guns, a guy like Vogel can probably keep them all in the A-zone at 50, so I'd say it's more than accurate enough. That would be about a 6-ish inch spread. The worst thing about stock Glocks for accuracy work is their sights.

Anyway, I think that if a lighter trigger or other mods lets you enjoy the shooting experience more then you should have it. Who cares what anyone else thinks?
 
Interesting thread. We should start to put up a " Glock 50m off hand challenge". I will do it on my next range visit.
Also, this forum are supposed to be fun and interesting. Share knowledge and information with each other with positive attitude. But what I see now is full of hate, anger, envy and negative responses. It just ruin the whole purpose of the shooting sport. At the end, we learned nothing if we keep on this attitude.
Btw, Caramel. You shoot good. Please keep us post.

Cheese,
 
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