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Still alive said:
Unfortunately the rules of war have changed and not always for the better. 24 hr CNN, CBC coverage, collateral damage etc has become part of the vernacular now. This started in Vietnam and has continued ever since.
. Crying mothers and dead babies are bad for drumming up public support in the West. The West must always look like the good guys. We must never appear to stoop to the savagery that the enemy is capable of. They know it and use it against us with our own media! That is why we will never win. Our society just doesn't have the balls to see it through.
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That's true!!

Unless we were involved in a full scale war with another superpower the military won't unleash their full firepower indiscriminaly like In WWII but with theses guys (Isis) I would like to see western military forces to reduce them in dust.....
 
enefgee said:
The Kurds are nothing like the Afghans, they're ethnically distinct from the other groups in the region. They also actually believe in democracy, rule of law and religious freedom - and are very willing to fight for their own homeland. Quite a rare bird from the Middle East's perspective. They've even allowed refugee Christians into their territory for protection.
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Travis Bickle said:
The last of the civilized people in a sea of savagery for sure unfortunately.
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Now if they could only get the Iraqis to stop running away and Cowboy up you'd have enough 'boots on the ground' to take on ISIS.
 
SgtMjr said:
Now if they could only get the Iraqis to stop running away and Cowboy up you'd have enough 'boots on the ground' to take on ISIS.
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The problem is similar to Afghanistan.. Those willing to work with the US are people willing to betray their country and profit by working with a foreign invader. Even if we clean up the mess, once we leave, they're gonna get their throats slit by the locals. The brave, capable troops either got Swiss-cheesed by the Yanks or they threw in with the extremist wackoids and created a hard core of trained troops for them. I wouldn't want for our troops to be anywhere within effective range of the Iraqi army weapons so they don't pull the same crap as the ANA frequently does. Also, their bravery may leave "a bit" to be desired.. I sure wouldn't want them guarding my back :cool:
 
Some of the Middle Eastern countries need a strong hand to keep things under control.....sometimes if you take out a dictator , things get a whole lot worse........it is a Catch 22 situation , you are dammed if you do , dammed if you don't ; when you look at all the money and time that the U.S. has spent in Iraq , and it is worse now than when they started.....go figure...
 
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When the first thing they did was lay off the entire Iraqi military what did they expect? They created a 250,000 man pool of well trained, experienced, armed and angry soldiers who felt cast off, used and who had families to support and that pool filled the ranks of the insurgency very quickly. It was a disastrous decision by the Rumsfeld.
 
TRaTSeRiF said:
The problem is similar to Afghanistan.. Those willing to work with the US are people willing to betray their country and profit by working with a foreign invader. Even if we clean up the mess, once we leave, they're gonna get their throats slit by the locals. The brave, capable troops either got Swiss-cheesed by the Yanks or they threw in with the extremist wackoids and created a hard core of trained troops for them. I wouldn't want for our troops to be anywhere within effective range of the Iraqi army weapons so they don't pull the same crap as the ANA frequently does. Also, their bravery may leave "a bit" to be desired.. I sure wouldn't want them guarding my back :cool:
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Except that support to the Kurds is support to the Kurdish region, and not trying to use a single group to help bring peace to an entire country.


Respectfully, that's a huge difference.
 
cyclone said:
Except that support to the Kurds is support to the Kurdish region, and not trying to use a single group to help bring peace to an entire country.


Respectfully, that's a huge difference.
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The Kurds do seem like a valid exception and I won't disagree with you on it, but they can't stop the hordes of savages on their own and they are a very small part of the picture... So who do we have left? The ineffective Iraqi "army".. Well, they are somewhat effective.. They are very effective at running away, changing into their civvies and cowering under their beds. Assad is working on dealing with several insurgent groups in his own backyard and while he does what he can, we won't give him direct military support and are more likely to "accidentally" bomb some of his positions should it become strategically useful to the insurgent groups that are good at presenting themselves as our friends. Those insurgent groups range from "useless" to "will stab us in the back". Iran has been a bit timid in offering direct military support and we aren't "bestest buds" with'em either. Trying to coordinate all these factions will be "interesting".. Probably the cheapest way to deal a truly severe blow to the region would be to invade Saudi Arabia, seize both domestic and foreign assets of their elites and set up shop down there :cool:
 
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