Adcor Admiration - Range Report in First Post.

[Crack Feather]

I know there are some out there - as Saskatoon Gunworks brought some in last February - and more recently, the 16'' Elite uppers.

But I'm not hearing much in the wind about them.

I have one of the Elite uppers on hot standby - but as I sold off my last restricted some years ago, I let my range membership lapse - now I'm waiting for the New Year to renew (as otherwise I'm paying for 6 months of last year, as well).

So help a brother out, while I wait - how are you enjoying your rifle or upper?

Apparently there are 9 separate patents on this rifle (ambi fwd charging handle, port dust wiper, anti-tilt piston system - amongst them) - how are they working out for you - on your individual rifle?

How did you finish off your upper - lowers and parts, additions, optics and mounts?

How is it shooting for you?

If you're feeling some admiration for your Adcor Defense Bear Elite (but also if you're not!) - post it in here so I can live vicariously until my LTATT goes through!
And photos earn double kudos - ha ha!

And a big thank you to Darren At Sask Gunworks for doing the legwork (and paperwork!) required to bring these up here.

LUV'N IT!
Honestly this and my KAC lower is truley bliss...
The only thing is that the upper anodize doen't match my KAC lower but who care's when she is rocken it's truely a dream.
But the bonus is that the bolt carier never get's dirty! Heats up, or requires specail solvents to clean. They hard chromed this bad boy witch now after shooting it for quite some time I wish that all AR's were to leave the factory this way.
As for groupings I ain't no bench shooter but I have gotten a few 1 inch groups and mostly they range between 1.5" to 2" 10 shot groups but that is with out my computer comando uni-form.
Now if I was to reload for this rifle I have heard of some people getting way less than that but honestly you got to have way to much time on your hands to reload for the 223 round.

 

[Doubletap]

BTT for range report in first post.

 

[Epoxy7]

Still debating which lower I'll be going with, but I've narrowed it down to (in no special order):

Hera HLS
Mega Arms
ATRS

What I have sitting on the bench for it:

- Geissele SD-E
- MagPul CTR stock
- KNS anti rotation pins
- Noveske-MapPul safety lever
- Enidine hydraulic buffer & spring

To come in:
- Norgon ambi mag release
- MagPul BAD bolt lever
- PWS Hk416 buffer tube

Whichever lower parts kit I'll get my hands on later on as I'll only need misc springs and pins at that time.

Plan on using this new lower with multiple uppers..and a new one caught my eye this week... among them there's a KAC in the EE that did just that.

The last of the parts I've been waiting for are on the way!!!

My parts lists:

1) ADCOR bear elite upper
2) HERA HLS ambi stripped lower
3) Norgon ambi mag release
4) PWS enhanced buffer tube
5) Tactical Spring Inc buffer spring (unobtanium)
6) Spike tactical H2 buffer
7) Spike Tactical enhanced LPK kit (includes ergo grip, KNS anti rotation pins, ambi safety, coated trigger kit)
8) B5 (Crane Sopmod stock ie the same as the LMT SOPMOD gen2)

I've just been waiting for the LPK kits. They are on the way.

 

[Doubletap]

Sounds like its going to be a very fine build, E - I'm looking forward to a range report/photo op!

I didn't see it on your list - but just a heads-up for anyone else kitting out their Adcor upper - the Raptor ambi charging handle won't work for it.

I racked mine a few hundred times, trying to wear it in - but it still won't push a round into the chamber with enough force to seat it into the extractor.
I believe the problem is the piston actuated bolt rod, and its slightly different tolerance than a gas tube.

Looks like I'll try an ambi BCM GF instead - though I use the forward CH 99.8% of the time, making the receiver CH rather a moot item for me.
However, its all about the gadgets - as we all well know!

 

[Apollyon]

HAHA!! That safety is hilarious! I love it!! Did it actually come like that?

 

[Doubletap]

Its a Gen 2 Alberta Tactical Rifle lower that I purchased second hand from the EE - I'm not sure if the safety indicators were standard or custom for the original owner - but either way - I agree with you, they are hilarious!

Great lower, as well.

 

[Epoxy7]

Sounds like its going to be a very fine build, E - I'm looking forward to a range report/photo op!

I didn't see it on your list - but just a heads-up for anyone else kitting out their Adcor upper - the Raptor ambi charging handle won't work for it.

I racked mine a few hundred times, trying to wear it in - but it still won't push a round into the chamber with enough force to seat it into the extractor.
I believe the problem is the piston actuated bolt rod, and its slightly different tolerance than a gas tube.

Looks like I'll try an ambi BCM GF instead - though I use the forward CH 99.8% of the time, making the receiver CH rather a moot item for me.
However, its all about the gadgets - as we all well know!

Thanks for the heads up. I was planning on leaving the upper stock but it's interesting to know that the Raptor doesn't work. Not a big deal to me as the forward charging handle is great. I put a large scope on mine just to check it out (not for actual shooting). The forward charging handle is worth it's weight in gold for large optics. Eotech and magnifiers as well.

One thing I don't get are the suspect postings on the net regarding the ADCOR. I've gone over two examples of this upper with a fine tooth comb. They are excellent. Granted I haven't put a ton of rounds through mine but function was never an issue. Yet there's a lot of suspect crud posted on the net about this upper, or strangely nothing at all. It's odd. Seems to be the best kept secret on the net.

 

[Doubletap]

Thanks for the heads up. I was planning on leaving the upper stock but it's interesting to know that the Raptor doesn't work. Not a big deal to me as the forward charging handle is great. I put a large scope on mine just to check it out (not for actual shooting). The forward charging handle is worth it's weight in gold for large optics. Eotech and magnifiers as well.

One thing I don't get are the suspect postings on the net regarding the ADCOR. I've gone over two examples of this upper with a fine tooth comb. They are excellent. Granted I haven't put a ton of rounds through mine but function was never an issue. Yet there's a lot of suspect crud posted on the net about this upper, or strangely nothing at all. It's odd. Seems to be the best kept secret on the net.

I know the Raptor won't work with the Sig manufactured piston rifle, either - but I thought I'd take a chance on it. As you say, though - that forward charging handle is the CA - especially for lefties.

It not only allows my control hand to stay with the controls - but the action can be racked while the fwd hand stays within a few inches of a firing grip.

Hard to beat it for ergonomics - right or left handed.

It is interesting that Adcor has flown so far below the consumer radar - especially for a firearm that has been accepted into the second round of the carbine replacement program.

I think that part of the problem is that Adcor is pricing themselves out of the recreational shooter's market (especially for a recent arrival versus so many well known manufacturers) - but it also appears that Adcor Defense is quite happy to fly below that radar horizon.

My guess is that they are putting all their eggs into the carbine replacement competition - with sales to recreational shooters falling far, far, behind.
Their marketing and "presence" on the larger AR forums is virtually non-existent, and I doubt that its an accident.

Should they win that contract, however - they won't need to spend dollar one on marketing - and if they lose it - my guess is they'll halt production and re-focus on manufacturing components for Colt (and perhaps the eventual competition winner).

This is just my guess, though.

As for my rifle - its coming up hard on a thousand rounds, without a hick-up of any sort (and only a single cleaning of the piston - no cleanings of the BCG).

 

[Epoxy7]

I know the Raptor won't work with the Sig manufactured piston rifle, either - but I thought I'd take a chance on it. As you say, though - that forward charging handle is the CA - especially for lefties.

It not only allows my control hand to stay with the controls - but the action can be racked while the fwd hand stays within a few inches of a firing grip.

Hard to beat it for ergonomics - right or left handed.

It is interesting that Adcor has flown so far below the consumer radar - especially for a firearm that has been accepted into the second round of the carbine replacement program.

I think that part of the problem is that Adcor is pricing themselves out of the recreational shooter's market (especially for a recent arrival versus so many well known manufacturers) - but it also appears that Adcor Defense is quite happy to fly below that radar horizon.

My guess is that they are putting all their eggs into the carbine replacement competition - with sales to recreational shooters falling far, far, behind.
Their marketing and "presence" on the larger AR forums is virtually non-existent, and I doubt that its an accident.

Should they win that contract, however - they won't need to spend dollar one on marketing - and if they lose it - my guess is they'll halt production and re-focus on manufacturing components for Colt (and perhaps the eventual competition winner).

This is just my guess, though.

As for my rifle - its coming up hard on a thousand rounds, without a hick-up of any sort (and only a single cleaning of the piston - no cleanings of the BCG).

Yup I also like the ability to lock back with the weak side hand only as well. Plus easier when prone as well.

I actually suspect they are doing very well in the phase two. They already had exceptional results from third part testing. Essentially it's a new rifle in an upgrade of the M4 package. Easy changeover and use of current parts such as lowers.

ADCOR seems to be a very bright company. After reviewing all the info and taking the leap I can confirm the upper is well made, very slick and very clever in design. Because of this I wonder if they have done exceptionally well so far in phase two which coincides with the price hike. As you mentioned they don't seem to be going all out for consumer sales. If they win the contract everyone will want one anyways. I have to admit it's a smart way to go about marketing. It's a gamble but if it pays off it will be big.

 

[Doubletap]

Hold the phone on the Raptor - suddenly it works just fine.

Put 300 rounds through, the other day - racking with the Raptor as much as possible. There was enough friction that the action wouldn't seat a round into the bolt face. When I stripped the rifle - I found a very small amount of finish had worn off the top right edge of the handle (not the metal - just the finish).

The worn off finish must have been binding the handle just enough to create the friction - because now that its wiped down and frog lubed - it works just fine (with snap caps - live ammo test will have to wait until I return from my next work cycle).

So if you were looking at the Raptor - it appears (with a little patience and persistence) that it will work with the Bear.

 

[Epoxy7]

I soak all my firearm parts in G96 then add an actual oil on the hard wear points. This seems to get rid of any so called break in periods. You get smooth functioning from the get go.

Thanks for the update on the Raptor. I still plan on leaving mine stock but maybe later on Ill look at one.

 

[Epoxy7]

Hold the phone on the Raptor - suddenly it works just fine.

Put 300 rounds through, the other day - racking with the Raptor as much as possible. There was enough friction that the action wouldn't seat a round into the bolt face. When I stripped the rifle - I found a very small amount of finish had worn off the top right edge of the handle (not the metal - just the finish).

The worn off finish must have been binding the handle just enough to create the friction - because now that its wiped down and frog lubed - it works just fine (with snap caps - live ammo test will have to wait until I return from my next work cycle).

So if you were looking at the Raptor - it appears (with a little patience and persistence) that it will work with the Bear.

I've actually changed my mind on the Raptor. After checking one out one on a buddy's rifle I have to say it's on my list for many of my AR rifles. I was very pleasantly surprised by it. The AR is getting very interesting lately.

Crossed ADCOR rifles for the thread!!

ACOR and HERA. The Reese peanut butter cup of black rifles?

 

[sapper043]

I know this is a older thread but I am just looking for a bit of a review from those that have had them for a while and what your think I them now. How are they holding up?

 

[sapper043]

Still trying to find some more reviews on the rifles from other users but I did find something's about this rifle online from the ICC that the US held upto last year ending in some controversy.

"In test results made available to the company, the Army concluded that the B.E.A.R. provided “Outstanding” accuracy, even after firing thousands of rounds."

I am still working on getting my own to play with.

 

[BenL]

Still trying to find some more reviews on the rifles from other users but I did find something's about this rifle online from the ICC that the US held upto last year ending in some controversy.

"In test results made available to the company, the Army concluded that the B.E.A.R. provided “Outstanding” accuracy, even after firing thousands of rounds."

I am still working on getting my own to play with.

I can't comment on the outstanding accuracy statement as mine has only been topped with a RDS, but this upper has never given me any grief whatsoever. The only issue I've had with it has already been mentionned by other owners and it was getting the Raptor CA to work properly in it as the tolerances are tight(er) than other uppers.

I'll be swapping out the FH for a brake if I can get my hands on a Surefire at a decent price in the EE. Other than that, it's rock solid. You won't be dissapointed in your purchase.

 

[sapper043]

Thanks BenL for the input.

These seem to be hard to source and hard to find any real reviews on as well.

I have been wondering if they have made any changes to the rifle since the ICC testing? No one seems to know and all the reviews I saw were all before the ICC. I will try to add more info when I get mine. Still trying to source a 10.5" unit but I may have recently found a source. My 16" is on route.

 

[BenL]

Thanks BenL for the input.

These seem to be hard to source and hard to find any real reviews on as well.

I have been wondering if they have made any changes to the rifle since the ICC testing? No one seems to know and all the reviews I saw were all before the ICC. I will try to add more info when I get mine. Still trying to source a 10.5" unit but I may have recently found a source. My 16" is on route.

Last I was told is that only the 16'' versions are allowed out of the US. I know because I also wanted a PDW version and SGW couldn't get them even if they could walk on water. This was about a year and half back so the situation may have changed.

Regarding modifications to the current units Vs those produced 2 years ago I think your best bet would be to contact ADCOR directly as like you mention, info on these is pretty limited.

I know that IRG carries ADCOR as complete rifles.