Tavor in 3 gun competitions ?

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Hi Guys,

I am getting my 3 gun gear ready and would like to know if guys are using Tavor's in competitions?
i know the AR15 is commonly used but i am looking for a NR rifle setup in order to practice of Range.

My curent gear includes.

-S&W MP Pro in 9mm
-Mossberg 930
-XCR-L currently on the EE for Trade ( find the XCR to heavy for 3 gunning)

Have a bladtech holster on its way and currently search for a good belt.

Any suggestions on recommend gear would be highly appreciated!!!!
 
A couple of my good buddies compete next to me with the Tavor. The Tavor points very well and has a great form factor for tight spots. What it isn't great at is in loading. The AR having the magwell in the center of its body uses the same motion as you would when reloading a pistol plus it is easier to counter brace with your shooting arm. The Tavor makes this a bit harder because the magwell is positioned into your armpit so it is harder to counterbrace and you have to scrunch up to reload it fast. You can improve this slightly by canting the stock and squeezing in with your shooting arm. I'm sure you can train to be competitive with it; just that guys with ARs at the same level will be a little faster IMO. The AR is just a very ergonomic system.

Also the stock trigger is squishy due to the nature of the bullpup system. You can get drop in triggers that improve this. I heard Timneys are good. CTCS Supplies just got a shipment. I think the Tavor shoots well even with the stock trigger; just that the delay before it breaks takes some getting used to.
 
Ive shot my fair share of 3 gun and ive never seen anyone using a tavor....no one thats any good is using one.

If thats what you want though, have at it...just practice with it. The biggest drawback in my view is the trigger, but thats not such a big deal for the ranges we typically shoot at.
 
Gotta agree with Onagoth...

'Any 3-gun match I've ever been to the rifle racks and safety tables are full of AR15's. ..

I think I've seen one FN SCAR, but I bet it was an FNH sponsored shooter using it.


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A guy at our clubs plays with on and loves it.

He doesn't win anything though. That being said, I don't think he's trying to.

If you want to, sure. There is literally no one telling you you can't.

The guy at our club who WAS using an XCR changed to an AR for the same reasons you pointed out.

So, there you go. Two examples from the guys at my club. Different guys, but it seems as though each one answers half of your question. If you want it for outside of 3 gun, then you should get one. Everyone who has one loves it. You'll enjoy 3 gunning with it too probably. You'll just hate it when your jacket gets in your way while trying to do a mag change in the winter.

That's your problem though, not mine, so, hey, why not support a Canadian retailer and get one.

Best part? You can keep it in your trunk and have a smile on your face every day....
 
Thanks for the pointers!
I am not opposed to the Ar and was looking in too getting one, the only draw back is its restricted status. i go out in the bush frequently and practice on my shooting skills and want be able to do so with an AR15, thats why i was considering the Tavor!

The main reason for me to get in to 3 gunning is to have fun and meet new people that share the same interest in shooting sports, i am a fairly competitive guy and hope to improve my skills and do well in anything i do in live. That being sad if the Tavor is a disadvantage i will consider the AR platform.
 
I saw a guy using a lever action 357 at a 3 gun match and I've seen several guys using a SKS without detachable mags..
People asked them why they choose that particular firearm and they had pretty much the same response.."it's what I practice with and im comfortable with it"
 
Power Pill said:
I saw a guy using a lever action 357 at a 3 gun match and I've seen several guys using a SKS without detachable mags..
People asked them why they choose that particular firearm and they had pretty much the same response.."it's what I practice with and im comfortable with it"
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I've seen that too here at home...
Keep in mind, the lever gun shooter timed out on every stage and the sks shooter had to spend a tidy sum on lead core commercial ammo.
 
Anyone who spends there fair share of time on a Tavor can run it as fast as anyone can run an AR.

The real drawback for three-gunning will likely be the heavy factory Tavor trigger.

TV-PressPass has taken his Canadian/Israeli Tavor to 2 top class 3 gun competitions in the US this year, one being the MGM Ironman and the other being the Crimson Trace Midnight 3 gun competition.

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onetwentyish said:
TV-PressPass has taken his Canadian/Israeli Tavor to 2 top class 3 gun competitions in the US this year, one being the MGM Ironman and the other being the Crimson Trace Midnight 3 gun competition.
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Right...and how did he end up finishing in those competitions? Let's see.

Ironman - roughly 30% of the winner
Trace - roughly 40% of the winner.

Is that because of the rifle....well, likely not. But simply fielding a Tavor at a major match doesn't mean it belongs there. YOu see, the point isn't whether or not the rifle will work, the point is whether or not its ideally suited to 3 gun. Any gun that goes bang will work for 3 gun, but most people who inquire about what everyone else is shooting want to know which guns are best or more practical for 3 gun.

I'll repeat, no one who is decent in 3 gun is using a tavor. There is a reason for that. I will further repeat....shoot whichever rifle you want and have fun.
 
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Actually just wrote a post on the plane about using a Tavor for 3 gun.

There are a few hurdles to make it 3gun reaudy, but its lotsof fun to compete with.

Onagoth's not entirely wrong. But I'd argue that you build a 3 gun Tavor differently from how you build a "combat Tavor" or a "coyote Tavor."

The only thing that's inherently better is the shooters who have years behind the AR. If you want to compete with a bullpup, you'll do much better if a Bullpup is your primary firearm.
 
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TV-PressPass said:
Actually just wrote a post on the plane about using a Tavor for 3 gun.

There are a few hurdles to make it 3gun reaudy, but its lotsof fun to compete with.

Onagoth's not entirely wrong. But I'd argue that you build a 3 gun Tavor differently from how you build a "combat Tavor" or a "coyote Tavor."

The only thing that's inherently better is the shooters who have years behind the AR. If you want to compete with a bullpup, you'll do much better if a Bullpup is your primary firearm.
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I'd be interested to read your article.
I have only shot the tavor a couple of times, but I have a bit of a feel for what the pros/cons are vs an AR platform for the sport of 3gun, particularly in the US.

Not sure how to interpret your last sentence.
I'f all I've ever shot was a Tavor, then yes, I'd be proficient with it, and maybe even competitive with it.
If I have equal time with both, in my mind, I'm leaning towards the AR as the more competitive platform. I can't prove or disprove that without spending more time than I care to with a Tavor, so its just my opinion.

But as I said, would like to read your thoughts on how to make a Tavor 3gun ready.
If you can, please share when you are done.
 
TV-PressPass said:
Onagoth's not entirely wrong.
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I don't think I am wrong at all. Personally, I think you over-estimate the competitiveness of the Tavor in 3 gun. Everyone knows you're a Tavor fanatic, I'm sure if there was a way to use it as an F-class precision rig you'd be all over it. It's not a bad thing, but I think it colours your opinion a bit.

I should mention I've never used a Tavor in 3 gun, so my opinion could very likely be just as one sided as yours. But I just don't see the need to fight the crowd and prove that something works when something else works either easier or better.

The only reason this conversation ever comes up is because people don't like the restricted status of the AR in Canada....if the AR was non-restricted, I'm fairly sure it would be the only rifle you ever see at matches.
 
I'm reading this thread because I was kinda wondering the same thing about tavors in 3gun. I currently don't compete but could see trying it one day. I know next to nothing about AR's but I was actually just speaking to someone today at Al Simmons about how I didn't know what the "upper" and "lower" is and the question came to mind about making an AR non restricted.

I was told that if you get a longer upper to increase your barrel length to 18.5" then you could have it reclassified as non-restricted. Then you could practice to your hearts content.
 
rem74283 said:
I'm reading this thread because I was kinda wondering the same thing about tavors in 3gun. I currently don't compete but could see trying it one day. I know next to nothing about AR's but I was actually just speaking to someone today at Al Simmons about how I didn't know what the "upper" and "lower" is and the question came to mind about making an AR non restricted.

I was told that if you get a longer upper to increase your barrel length to 18.5" then you could have it reclassified as non-restricted. Then you could practice to your hearts content.
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You were told wrong. ARs are restricted, regardless of barrel length, by law.
 
rem74283 said:
I'm reading this thread because I was kinda wondering the same thing about tavors in 3gun. I currently don't compete but could see trying it one day. I know next to nothing about AR's but I was actually just speaking to someone today at Al Simmons about how I didn't know what the "upper" and "lower" is and the question came to mind about making an AR non restricted.

I was told that if you get a longer upper to increase your barrel length to 18.5" then you could have it reclassified as non-restricted. Then you could practice to your hearts content.
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Probably an extension of a rumour that has been going around. I've heard that ARs with barrels over 18.5" were set to become non-restricted as part of the common sense firearms act, but it was pulled out after the Moncton shooting.

This is all conjecture of course. The AR is restricted by law and to change that would require an act of parliament.
 
I have a 10.5 AR and a T-97 for 3 gun. I am faster with the bullpup and way more accurate standing prone..."not nose heavy" Haven't used the AR most of the season. Go with the Tavor.
 
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