S&W 357 or 44 Magnum for Black Bears ???

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I fish and hunt in both California and Oregon. I am considering getting a S&W 686+ 4" 357 (and not a S&W 44 magnum) as the largest creature I might encounter would be a black bear. I am interested in protection and NOT actively hunting black bear.

Do any of you have strong opinions on what I should get? Many thanks.
 
Get the .44 Mag... you will only use it when you are in self-protection mode... and at that time, you will be VERY FRICKIN glad that you have the .44... JMO.
 
I was reading on a U.S hunting forum a while back on a fellow who used his 357 mag on a black bear. He emptied 6 shots into the bears chest. It didn't slow the bear down, and ended up chewing the guy up a bit before his partner nailed the bear with his 30-30 "4 rounds".
 
I did a course recently with Bear Scare and one of the instructors who was a wildlife officer for years, told me that they tried .357 mag revolvers and they had to empty them to put the bear down sometimes. Id go no less then .44 magnum. I just wish I had your relaxed gun laws. I wish I was American.
 
I think a well-placed .357Magnum from a carbine could be effective enough for hunting black bears from a safe stand over bait at close range if you have the self-discipline to hold out for the right presentation. So if I were getting a handgun to carry for defence against a black bear attack I'd look for a .44Magnum.
 
Get the 44. I shot a black bear with the 357 revolver and it took 5 of the 6 to put it down. You get a real sick feeling when your thinking that it's not working.
 
Heres a story for ya on a Grizzly

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...-alaska-denali-national-park-article-1.183590

Personally if I was just packing a pistol for protection I'd go with a Glock 20 10mm with hot rounds.... 15 rounds compared to 6 in any revolver. Just my 2cents.

hard to get 10mm ammo up here, most of the factory stuff is not loaded that hot. I imagine its the same in the states, as well you would need hard casts bullets, and then you would have to swap your stock Glock 20 barrel to standard rifeling. According to Hickok45 anyhow ;)


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If it was me, I'd go .44 Magnum or bigger. (Ruger Super Redhawk Alaskan in .454 Casull, S&W Model 500) Unless your thinking of arming yourself with a Model 92 as well, then I'd stick to the .44 Mag.

Plus I'd take a revolver over a semi pistol of any kind for bear defense. What kind of bears do they have in Oregon?
 
Remember bear spray works very well, maybe better than a 44 mag. I too would carry a 44 if I was to worry about bears. The muzzle blast sometimes is enough to turn a bear, or so THEY say. not sure if sometimes is good enough. Best of luck.
 
Remember bear spray works very well, maybe better than a 44 mag. I too would carry a 44 if I was to worry about bears. The muzzle blast sometimes is enough to turn a bear, or so THEY say. not sure if sometimes is good enough. Best of luck.

bear spray has a very short effective range and the wind has to be blowing in the right direction as well.
 
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A .357 will do the job. You don't need to kill the bear instantly... you need to stop the bear. It comes down to where the bullet hits. Just shooting into the bear's body isn't always going to do the job. And for those that say you may not have time to aim, that is practice. If you're going to carry a gun for bear defence then I think you should practice enough that pulling the gun and shooting (and hitting what you're aiming at) becomes second nature. I have a relative that did end up shooting a bear that was charging for the second time with a .357 bear was only about 15 feet from them when it hit the ground. I don't think I could have made that shot. I probably would have turned into a little puddle the first time it came at me. I carry a 12ga depending on where I'm hiking. I am NOT saying that the 357 is better and if I had a choice, bigger would be better. Howitzer comes to mind.
 
I fish and hunt in both California and Oregon. I am considering getting a S&W 686+ 4" 357 (and not a S&W 44 magnum) as the largest creature I might encounter would be a black bear. I am interested in protection and NOT actively hunting black bear.

Do any of you have strong opinions on what I should get? Many thanks.

I much prefer a 44 mag over a 357 mag BUT if you are a good shot its much better then Hucking rocks ! BUT a 44 Rem Mag with Horn 300 gr-ers or 300 gr + hard cast bullets is a MUCH SUPERIOR bear stopper then the 357 is ! JMO RJ
 
I would use no less than 44Mag in handgun for additional bear protection.
Ruger revolver in 454 Casull comes to mind, as better choice.

Note use of the word additional... handgun is by no means best way to defend yourself from an aggressive bear.

If possible, short carbine or short shotgun loaded with slugs, would be much better solution.

Also, practice with firearm that you are planning to use, and become proficient with it.
 
A .41 Magnum, Model 57 S&W would be the best choice. Penetration is what matters, and this is it.

Funny you should say that. When I took the course with "Bear Scare" , I asked the instructor what he carried back in the day and now as he has a ATC. He said .41 Magnum. I never even heard of it until that point. You just confirmed it.
 
IMO it's going to be much harder finding adequate ammunition for the 357.
Perhaps the only few choices might be 180 gr truncated nose and thick jacketed copper bullet or heavy and hard cast wide flat nose lead with a GC and again loaded hot.

Fewer reliable options that can be easily compromised with a larger then average BB.
 
I have two guns listed on my ATC, my primary is a .44 and my back up is a .357. Here's the deal on shooting a bear in the chest in a defensive scenario, put 5 in the bear and save one for yourself. A chest shot is a killing shot, but its not a stopping shot, not with a .357 and not with a .458. In a defensive shooting scenario, the bear by definition is close to you, adrenalined up, and you need to stop his forward progression. Typically black bear attacks are predatory in nature, so playing dead if you haven't stopped him could result in unpleasant consequences. The point of shooting is to prevent him from making contact, if he can't touch you, he can't hurt you. The only shot from a handgun that works is a brain or a spine shot. I'd avoid the big bone breaking shots that I might try with a rifle or a shotgun, except in dire circumstances; like the bear was already on top of another person; then you'd want to break his hip, A) because this keeps the bullet away from the mauling victim, B) because it will distract the bear from causing further injury to the victim, and C) gives you the time and position to make a killing shot without endangering others. But even at close range the spine and brain present small targets, and if you don't practice regularly, and pre-program yourself as to how to find your target and shoot quickly, the odds are against you.

I think your choice of a 686 with a 4" barrel is fine, wear it in a holster that will allow you to move around aggressively without loosing the gun, but allows you to draw quickly. Practice your draw by the numbers until you have your draw and firing stroke perfected. Practice at ranges from contact close out to about 10 yards. Don't shoot too soon. Shoot DA only. Forget anything you've ever heard about shooting center of mass. Concentrate on being able to place your rounds in a group 2" wide by 3" high. If you can, you're shooting too slowly, if you can't you need more practice. If the bear is facing you, his brain is only the width of his snout, and is located behind his eyes and ahead of his ears. The massive width of his head can make finding the brain confusing, and the motion of his head won't help. But if he's about to attack, his focus should be locked onto you, and his head should be more or less stationary, any lateral movement will only mirror his body movement as he approaches.

Don't choose the hollow point loads that are normally sold for self defense. Penetration trumps a wide wound channel; instead search out a heavy for caliber hard cast WFN or a SWC, bullets or a truncated cone jacketed bullet. Seeing that you'll be in the States, my top choice would be Corbon's .357/200 gr WFN, listed by them as 357 Mag 200gr CORBON Hunter HC. With that load I'd carry a .357 for bear work without hesitation. My .357 load is a 195 gr SWC over a stiff charge of H-110 that trips the chronograph at 1150 fps from my 6" M-27. Corbon's 200 gr WFN at 1100 from a 4" revolver would be better; Corbon claims 1150 from a 6" barrel. If you roll your own, WFNs heavier than 180 grs can be had from a variety of makers, but if you are down there for a short period of time purchasing a few boxes or factory Corbons might be more convenient, if a little expensive.
 
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I would use no less than 44Mag in handgun for additional bear protection.
Ruger revolver in 454 Casull comes to mind, as better choice.

Note use of the word additional... handgun is by no means best way to defend yourself from an aggressive bear.

If possible, short carbine or short shotgun loaded with slugs, would be much better solution.

Also, practice with firearm that you are planning to use, and become proficient with it.

"Best" is a relative term, and if the fellow is participating in activities which make it impractical to carry a long gun, and he doesn't have much experience with big bore revolvers, a .357 is a viable choice. A .357 that you can shoot well, trumps a .454 you can't, having said that, proficiency is more important than gun or cartridge choice, and there's more to proficiency than basic shooting range marksmanship.
 
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