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Which handgun models are the best for tiny hands?
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r34skyline
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Lol nice comeback.
Ah brings back memories of elementary school.
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Here's my fleet. The 9mm black Limited Pro was $1050.00. I've changed a lot of internals and mounted the Xtreme grips. I have a couple of internals to go and may install the newer Xreme trigger which has a flatter profile closer to a SA trigger. The upgrades may come to about $500.00. The biggest improvement came with installing the Xtreme hammer. This gun will serve in 3 Gun, IPSC Production and Steel Challenge
The Limited Custom is selling at close to $2500.00 now and is super slick out of the box. It is my GOTO gun for IPSC Standard and Limited in USPSA during the winter.
Here's my P-210. I've done some modest mods to the grips and safety to make it easier to use in IPSC. It also has a FO FS now. It's a great gun but not at home in IPSC for several reasons.
Hercster good comments on the Tanfoglio. I have the modestly priced "L" model with both the 9MM and 40 cal top ends for it. I probably have over 10K on the frame as I had also, for a time, the .22LR kit for the gun as well. Great shooter BTW. The Tanfoglio has the best grip of all my handguns...period. With the hammer spring location Tanfoglio is able to deepen the cut under the Beavertail which really makes for a comfortable grip. Bang on about Sean and his Freedom Ventrures. He is a straight up guy and a guy I respect.
I have to confess I have been using my 5" M&P PRO for the two years previous for IDPA. The guns are lighter and come out of the holster a bit faster and transition even faster for me over the heavier steel guns. IDPA lends itself more to the striker fired guns like the M&P, Glock and XD.
This year I shot a GP-100 and did quite ordinary with it as well. Great revolver. The game changes quite a bit when you shoot the round guns. More reloads! We both know it is the archer not the arrow and I really don't perform any better using one gun over another. I am pretty inept no matter the manufacturer. But I have fun and do have moments of inspired mediocrity.
The SIG 210 is a classic and I have to agree with your assessment completely. It is the finest semi-auto ever made, period. That said there are a lot of guns that finish tied for 2nd place as you well know.
So much depends on what the OP wants to use the gun for as there are a number of guns at the same price point. If I were younger and starting out any of the brands:
Glock
M&P
XD
CZ
Tanfoglio
SIG
Would be on my look see list. I would probably settle on the CZ due to cost and upgrades available first because of their inherent accuracy and they come with external safeties.
After that , you pick um.
If a 1911 was on my list I would get a....wait for it
a Norinco (1911) Shoot it as is or have Dlask turn it into a full custom gun.
One of the guys shoots a Norinco at our IDPA matches and does quite well with it in it's stock form. I don't recall him ever having a jam of any sort.
I have to confess I have been using my 5" M&P PRO for the two years previous for IDPA. The guns are lighter and come out of the holster a bit faster and transition even faster for me over the heavier steel guns. IDPA lends itself more to the striker fired guns like the M&P, Glock and XD.
This year I shot a GP-100 and did quite ordinary with it as well. Great revolver. The game changes quite a bit when you shoot the round guns. More reloads! We both know it is the archer not the arrow and I really don't perform any better using one gun over another. I am pretty inept no matter the manufacturer. But I have fun and do have moments of inspired mediocrity.
The SIG 210 is a classic and I have to agree with your assessment completely. It is the finest semi-auto ever made, period. That said there are a lot of guns that finish tied for 2nd place as you well know.
So much depends on what the OP wants to use the gun for as there are a number of guns at the same price point. If I were younger and starting out any of the brands:
Glock
M&P
XD
CZ
Tanfoglio
SIG
Would be on my look see list. I would probably settle on the CZ due to cost and upgrades available first because of their inherent accuracy and they come with external safeties.
After that , you pick um.
If a 1911 was on my list I would get a....wait for it
a Norinco (1911) Shoot it as is or have Dlask turn it into a full custom gun.
One of the guys shoots a Norinco at our IDPA matches and does quite well with it in it's stock form. I don't recall him ever having a jam of any sort.
Here's my fleet. The 9mm black Limited Pro was $1050.00. I've changed a lot of internals and mounted the Xtreme grips. I have a couple of internals to go and may install the newer Xreme trigger which has a flatter profile closer to a SA trigger. The upgrades may come to about $500.00. The biggest improvement came with installing the Xtreme hammer. This gun will serve in 3 Gun, IPSC Production and Steel Challenge
The Limited Custom is selling at close to $2500.00 now and is super slick out of the box. It is my GOTO gun for IPSC Standard and Limited in USPSA during the winter.
Here's my P-210. I've done some modest mods to the grips and safety to make it easier to use in IPSC. It also has a FO FS now. It's a great gun but not at home in IPSC for several reasons.
Nice P210. looks a little like this one! I'll have to check out the Tangfolios
Hey Mr. Canuck 44! Something you said just caught my eye when you say you did "ordinary" with the revolver. That's what I do with all the guns!
I'm happy when I don't hurt anybody, don't fall down and finish with my head up. I have a priority that many share although we don't talk about it much and that's the wonderful fellowship available in the shooting sports. By and large we aren't judgemental, tolerate and even encourage diversity and are generally inordinately helpful to fellow shooters. I started shooting after an almost totally gun free life at the young old age of 65. I'm 70 now and compete in most of the disciplines in two countries. I generally finish in the bottom third but that's OK as many of my competitors are frequently 40 years younger than me. I don't run around the course but rather wobble as my legs have been shaky since birth and surgeries haven't helped. The vision of me loaded up with a rifle, pistol and shotgun is something to behold but I'm out there as often as possible. No one, and I mean no one has ever criticized my choice of gun.
So doing "ordinary" is perfectly OK by me. Recognizing my limitations, I choose to look at the stats very selectively. Because of the physical issues involved in running, squatting, kneeling and the dreaded prone shots, the clock kills me. But I almost always get a good share of the hits and have been known to clear a stage with all "alphas". I watch my percentage of raw points against the other shooters and then focus on avoiding the brain farts that can infiltrate the day when the speed and complexity of some stages can result in confusion. My saving grace is that I can watch the 25 year old peeps and see that they can get fogged too.
All in all it's a great lifestyle. The idea is to 'stick with the winners" and that doesn't mean those at the top of the board but rather those that play the games with consideration and grace. Those that don't meet my standards just disappear from view in my eyes and I'm almost always happy.
I'm happy when I don't hurt anybody, don't fall down and finish with my head up. I have a priority that many share although we don't talk about it much and that's the wonderful fellowship available in the shooting sports. By and large we aren't judgemental, tolerate and even encourage diversity and are generally inordinately helpful to fellow shooters. I started shooting after an almost totally gun free life at the young old age of 65. I'm 70 now and compete in most of the disciplines in two countries. I generally finish in the bottom third but that's OK as many of my competitors are frequently 40 years younger than me. I don't run around the course but rather wobble as my legs have been shaky since birth and surgeries haven't helped. The vision of me loaded up with a rifle, pistol and shotgun is something to behold but I'm out there as often as possible. No one, and I mean no one has ever criticized my choice of gun.
So doing "ordinary" is perfectly OK by me. Recognizing my limitations, I choose to look at the stats very selectively. Because of the physical issues involved in running, squatting, kneeling and the dreaded prone shots, the clock kills me. But I almost always get a good share of the hits and have been known to clear a stage with all "alphas". I watch my percentage of raw points against the other shooters and then focus on avoiding the brain farts that can infiltrate the day when the speed and complexity of some stages can result in confusion. My saving grace is that I can watch the 25 year old peeps and see that they can get fogged too.
All in all it's a great lifestyle. The idea is to 'stick with the winners" and that doesn't mean those at the top of the board but rather those that play the games with consideration and grace. Those that don't meet my standards just disappear from view in my eyes and I'm almost always happy.
r34skyline
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
good catch -though arguments
Are you argueing with me? XD
Like many CGN thread I see this has it's fair share of mudslinging.
Grip size and how it reflects on you shooting can be easily examined.
I'm not a Glock guy -- yeah they work - but they take a lot more effort for me to shoot well fast than than other guns.
My M&P CORE - with the large backstrap produces the most accurate slow fire groups - it sits in my hand well for that.
However when I draw from either my duty holster or CCW holster, and fire rapid shots against multiple targets - that is when I have issues. I ended up going to the small grip - as it allowed a better grip from the draw - and better control on multiple shots.
In the same way you look at target guns and their grips are NOT what you would want to use for a carry gun.
I disagree in this instance with TDC - and I find the Glock grip angle utter crap, or perhaps un-natural.
The remaining Glock in our household is my wife's G19 - and it was re-contoured to the proper angle by Ben at Boresight Solutions...
Grip size and how it reflects on you shooting can be easily examined.
I'm not a Glock guy -- yeah they work - but they take a lot more effort for me to shoot well fast than than other guns.
My M&P CORE - with the large backstrap produces the most accurate slow fire groups - it sits in my hand well for that.
However when I draw from either my duty holster or CCW holster, and fire rapid shots against multiple targets - that is when I have issues. I ended up going to the small grip - as it allowed a better grip from the draw - and better control on multiple shots.
In the same way you look at target guns and their grips are NOT what you would want to use for a carry gun.
I disagree in this instance with TDC - and I find the Glock grip angle utter crap, or perhaps un-natural.
The remaining Glock in our household is my wife's G19 - and it was re-contoured to the proper angle by Ben at Boresight Solutions...
Thanks for your post Mr. Kevin. You bring a lot of experience and knowledge to the forum. I have four pistols now but have owned several more in the past as it took be a while to evolve my preferences. I learned something recently that works for me. The circumference of all four of my pistols is close to the same. One of the variables that's important to me is the reach to operating side of the trigger. Thicker grips make the LOP longer or the geometry of the pull feel longer.
My latest pistols are Tanfoglios purchased specifically for competition which is all I do. Despite the circumference of the grips being the same or close to my SIG P-210 or my 1911, the Tanfo grips are very slim and have very flat sides as compared to the curves of the P-210 that are similar to pistols like the M&P. So when my hand goes to the grips of the Tanfos, these flats sides marry beautifully to my strong hand. I can immediately feel it if the gun is rotated in my hand even slightly. This has the added effect of lining up the bore more or less in a straight line with my forearm. Then when my weak hand marries up and I push out to the target the whole of my grip puts the front sight where it would be.
None of my other guns has achieved this happy state quite as well as the Tanfoglio pattern which also applies to the very popular CZ pistols used in IPSC and the other games. None of this diminishes the need for good fundamentals and technique. None of these qualities will turn a poor shooter into a good one. There are a huge number of 1911/2011's, CZ's and Tanfoglio in use in the competition arenas. This doesn't knock any of the other configurations but does support the idea that these platforms work well for a very large number of competent shooters.
My latest pistols are Tanfoglios purchased specifically for competition which is all I do. Despite the circumference of the grips being the same or close to my SIG P-210 or my 1911, the Tanfo grips are very slim and have very flat sides as compared to the curves of the P-210 that are similar to pistols like the M&P. So when my hand goes to the grips of the Tanfos, these flats sides marry beautifully to my strong hand. I can immediately feel it if the gun is rotated in my hand even slightly. This has the added effect of lining up the bore more or less in a straight line with my forearm. Then when my weak hand marries up and I push out to the target the whole of my grip puts the front sight where it would be.
None of my other guns has achieved this happy state quite as well as the Tanfoglio pattern which also applies to the very popular CZ pistols used in IPSC and the other games. None of this diminishes the need for good fundamentals and technique. None of these qualities will turn a poor shooter into a good one. There are a huge number of 1911/2011's, CZ's and Tanfoglio in use in the competition arenas. This doesn't knock any of the other configurations but does support the idea that these platforms work well for a very large number of competent shooters.
Getting back to the OP's quest, I was just cleaning my S&W 39 last night , and it struck me that it is a very good choice for the petite handed among us. - dan
Alot of factors come into play, calibre, barrel length DA, SA ect. These days there are alot of options, get to the range meet your fellow shooters and try their pistols most will force you to shoot theirs first , that is my best advice.
suggestions:
Smith & Wesson M&P
Glock gen 4
Springfield XDM
Why these, is because of their replaceable backstrap which makes them very adjustable. Just my two cents, hope this helps.
, that is my best advice.suggestions:
Smith & Wesson M&P
Glock gen 4
Springfield XDM
Why these, is because of their replaceable backstrap which makes them very adjustable. Just my two cents, hope this helps.
