First i heard of a nontoxic push on all types of shot in NS where ya hearin that at cause it aint goin to happen and i shoot lead for all upland bird hunting.
Do you use Steel Shot for Upland Species??
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Brutus
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Its on the front webpage of the NSAH organization and a smaller org' calling itself the Halifax Wildlife Federation push this agenda as well.
Last year it was also propaganda in the provincial hunting regulations.
This is too funny to even comment on. Better than lead in non tox nothing I have shot or reloaded so far has been
Lead kills PERIOD if you can shoot
Yep I would get lots of cripples with copper plated 2 1/4 oz BB buffered magnums
Not out to 75 yards that was for sure
Cheers
beretta boy
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I've used steel on both clay targets & doves, and a couple of times on pheasant as that was "Club rules" ! At short range, it works, but it ain't lead !
Not at all satisfied with steel for waterfowling, but do admit grudgingly it will work at reduced range. It's just O.K. for decoying birds, but again, it doesn't kill like lead.
I am certainly old enough to have 'cut my eye teeth' on lead and was a very active waterfowler for about two & a half decades until the non-tox regulation was stuffed down our throats.
From a conservation perspective there were a few hotspots that lead should have (and could have) been prohibited, but I still believe the current catch-all regulation has done little toward it's intended purpose. If lead persists in the environment as they say, I haven't seen in the past or present, any evidence of lead-ingested dead or dying waterfowl strewn about the marsh.
For whatever wildfowling I now get up to, it's Kent Impact all the way. Pricey, but I find it pretty much duplicates lead performance, and it patterns very well.
Not at all satisfied with steel for waterfowling, but do admit grudgingly it will work at reduced range. It's just O.K. for decoying birds, but again, it doesn't kill like lead.
I am certainly old enough to have 'cut my eye teeth' on lead and was a very active waterfowler for about two & a half decades until the non-tox regulation was stuffed down our throats.
From a conservation perspective there were a few hotspots that lead should have (and could have) been prohibited, but I still believe the current catch-all regulation has done little toward it's intended purpose. If lead persists in the environment as they say, I haven't seen in the past or present, any evidence of lead-ingested dead or dying waterfowl strewn about the marsh.
For whatever wildfowling I now get up to, it's Kent Impact all the way. Pricey, but I find it pretty much duplicates lead performance, and it patterns very well.
Guess ill let the numbers speak for themselves.
TSS shot 18g/cc Gives us #8 shot to ballistically equal and surpass lead BB's in terms of penetration and energy up to a past 75 yards and deliver much denser pattern with lower required velocity.
Your given load of 2 1/4 ounces of lead bb's gives roughly 112 pellets.
The same 2 1/4 ounce load in TSS gives us 539 pellets.
Now even a blind man could feel the difference on the patterning board at any distance with these loads.
Not hating on lead as its cheap, kills great and still legal for upland and small game.
But to claim that lead is the best bar none is a fallacy. We have better then lead options with the only downfall being price.
TSS shot 18g/cc Gives us #8 shot to ballistically equal and surpass lead BB's in terms of penetration and energy up to a past 75 yards and deliver much denser pattern with lower required velocity.
Your given load of 2 1/4 ounces of lead bb's gives roughly 112 pellets.
The same 2 1/4 ounce load in TSS gives us 539 pellets.
Now even a blind man could feel the difference on the patterning board at any distance with these loads.
Not hating on lead as its cheap, kills great and still legal for upland and small game.
But to claim that lead is the best bar none is a fallacy. We have better then lead options with the only downfall being price.
Yep another theory shooter doing the calculations and spending too much time reading vs reloading and hunting. Cheers
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Brutus
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I could not bring myself to read anything past his number 8 shot comment.
Yep Lots of promotional stuff out there he can find on the internet to indicate this but very few real life tests
Not saying it is bad or not effective shot but I do agree on the price issue since I remember pricing it some time ago 2009?? and it would have been 85 bucks a pound if I recall and never looked further to see what would be required to reload
Get a lot of old BB lead for that
OH I sure miss the old lead waterfowl hunting days and long pass shootingThe small gauges seems to be where the TSS shot was getting popular in the US for duck hunting around 2010 especially the 28ga hear very little about it lately
That being said when you get into these shot types you are looking at a material that is far harder than the steel in your barrel and don't think for one minute mylar wrap or today's wads are going to provide the protection needed
Take care
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IMO steel is not nearly as hard hitting as lead, remember shooting 2 3/4 CT Supremes at ducks and geese, just as effective as 3" steel, if not more so. And $4/20, now cheap steel is $20/25
But I think i understand the push to stop lead.
T
But I think i understand the push to stop lead.
T
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Oh yes where do you buy this super shot today. Last I recall it was pulled off the market ?? in 2012???? and it was only from a place in kansas. Is is back. I would love to reload some
Please advise
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Brutus
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Sept 22 1995, Elmendorf Alaska. 24 US and Canadian airmen die when thier AWACS Sentry struck a flock of Canada geese.
The culprits are right in front of your eyes.
With the population of coal fired China expected to reach 1.4 billion souls very soon, realistically who gives a feck about a few particles of lead in a swamp most likely already poisoned from fertilizer runoff?
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Lots of fighting on this one my friend on the NS site with our friend old KP and the biggest reason I stopped hanging there
Any how found your Steel powder if you want to drop by and get it
Nothing like it in RSI duplex 10ga reloads as you know
Take care
Excellent post and I am also grumpy and stubborn when I look at the millions of tons of coal being using in this province and the tons and tons of lead still being used in aviation fuel but no take away the lead shot from hunters and save the planet NOT
take care
The crippling rates have increased for sure but not as bad as they were the first couple of years of steel shot
The 1st year I was hunting geese in PEI over a month just about every day and it was so bad everyone was seeing cripples in their fields and around town to the point it actually made the news
Year two I went to bismuth and all was good except even back then it was like 3.50 a round so I started reloading steel then and over maybe 3 more years came up with rsi reloads that would kill
Today I have no problem killing with steel but it has come a long way but not still even close to lead
Problem was many hunters and I mean many 100's of thousands hung up the waterfowl gun and took up other forms of hunting or different sports and never returned with the steel introduction
No one wanted to cripple birds. You would smack them at 30 yards and they would just fly away but if you watched you would start seeing them fall many many fields over and when you went to find them they would be covered in blood but still alive
Wringing necks we rarely did with lead but it seemed like every bird almost with the first steel
Will I use steel for upland never since I am a firm believer if we lose it there clay targets will be next and the sport is firished since we cannot afford to shoot like we want to with steel especially in our finer guns
Cheers
Brutus
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Full agreement here friend!
Steel shot was the worst thing to happen to North American hunters. Government hypocrisy at it's finest.
If it truly was Government Hypocrisy at it's finest would we still be hunting with guns today???
When life hands you lemons...Make some Dam fine Hard Lemon Aide
There always were several options available and some have adapted and others are still complaining after years of yore.
Tight Groups and Modified Chokes,
Rob
Brutus
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
If it truly was Government Hypocrisy at it's finest would we still be hunting with guns today???
When life hands you lemons...Make some Dam fine Hard Lemon Aide
There always were several options available and some have adapted and others are still complaining after years of yore.
Tight Groups and Modified Chokes,
Rob
Some will agree to go quietly into the night, some others not so.
Cheers
LOL i don't put much stock wats said on that site its one guy and a couple of site buddies or bullies you could say the same guys that drove alot of guys away..
see ya tomorrow yes rsi is a great load but to be truthfull if hevi shot was cheaper i would go back to it cause it was unreal in dropping geese i looked at tss but its too expensive and theres no 10 guage recipes that i no of...
