I bought a compact brick

The factory suppressor sights are a long way ahead of the stock sights. They have a big bright yellow dot in the front post and a plain black rear sight. They're also made of steel, so they'll hold their dimension even after several trips to the range. The factory plastic jobs are absolute crap.

PS Clobb - empty your mailbox

Regarding competition (IDPA) I heard a good one from someone who would know - Larry Vickers and Ken Hackathorn were watching an IDPA match, one said to the other "what the ef are those guys doing?" the other one says "I haven't a clue".
 
Your first sentence says a lot...

Cheers

Wow, did I get under your skin? Were you bullied as a kid?

I don't do videos of myself nor do I have others do it for me. I'm confident I can shoot better than the vast majority whether that be on the range or off. The topic in question is the value of stock Glock sights, and you've failed to support their validity. Competing is a game, training is what separates the trigger pullers from the thinkers. For your game, non tritium sights may be adequate. With a walkthrough and all you're never caught off guard with the location of a target or a mover. With 75% of your shots being inside 15 yards and limitations on dominant and non dominant only distances, its no wonder many like to play. The endless lame a$$ rules designed to stroke egos and keep if safe for the lowest of IQ types is pathetic. Take your "game" and move into the force on force arena and tell me how much of your sights you see and how well they stand out.

I'm not here to measure d*cks as I don't swing that way. I'm simply stating the facts, and the fact is the stock sights on Glocks are junk. The steel version being more robust, but still offering no benefit over the vast selection of superior offerings such as TruGlo TFO's, Trijicon HD's, XS big dots, hell even straight FO sights are an improvement. If you're doing fine with the stock sights then drive on, but don't try and sell them as a solid choice.

TDC

ETA: Here's some clippings from the IDPA rule book for those interested in the very structured "defensive pistol" league :rolleyes:

6.19. No “strong-hand only” strings of fire may require the shooter to engage targets more than ten (10) yards distant.
6.20. No “weak-hand only” strings of fire may require the shooter to engage targets more than seven (7) yards distant.
6.21. No “weak-hand only” reloading shall be permitted. Exception: See Permanently Physically Disabled Shooters section.

6.11. Shooter movement of more than ten (10) yards between firing points, and more than fifteen (15) yards total movement in a string of fire, is not permitted.

6.12. If low cover or a prone position is required, it must be the last shooting position of a string of fire. 6.12.1. Stage designers should strive to design stages that leave targets visible for mobility challenged and
physically disabled shooters.
6.13. Only one (1) non-threat target may be used for every three (3) threat targets in any string of fire. Stage designers may use one non-threat for 1 to 3 threats, 2 non-threats for 4 to 6 threats and 3 non-threats for 7- 9 threats, etc.


I didn't know the ratio of scumbag to good guy was so high, and that prone shots are always the last position used when defending yourself. :rolleyes:

6.7. Seventy-five percent (75%) of all shots required in a match must be fifteen (15) yards or less. No shots longer than twenty-five (25) yards may be required in scenario stages. 35-yard shots are only allowed in standard stages and limited to 6 rounds per stage.

I agree that 15 yards is probably the most practical distance, I don't see the value in limiting the longer shots.

6.9.2. While blind stages are not allowed in IDPA, portions of a stage can have moveable non-threat
indicators to allow for a shooter to make a shoot/no shoot decision as part of the CoF. These targets must be hidden from the view of the shooter prior to reaching the shooting position where the shoot/no shoot decision is made. In order to maintain a level playing field for all shooters, the first target and the last target will not be eligible as non-threats


Here's one of my favourites, especially the last line. Again, didn't know that the first and last person you encounter in a defensive shoot will always be a scumbag. Are we doing our due diligence and informing said scumbags of these rules?? In order to maintain a level playing field they need to know when and where they may present themselves... Just saying. :rolleyes:
 
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I love stock Glock sights too. They cost virtually nothing so that I can replace them with sights that aren't absolutely ####ing useless in any situation.
 
If they aren't tritium they're useless for low light/no light use. Metal or not the design is far from ideal.

I can shoot without sights just fine, so your insinuation of my ability is way off base. If your fundamentals are strong and consistent you shouldn't need sights period.

Tdc
They arent tritium, the sights that come with the G19 with threaded barrel are just metal suppressor height sights, all black in the rear, with a single yellow painted dot in the front....

I Have some tritium sights I ordered but havent installed yet, if it was just tritium I could understand them being useless in the light, but they have a white outline around the tritium center that is clearly visible in light...I dont like the OEM plastic Glock sights, but the front isnt the problem for me. I just dont like the white outline on the rear...I would turn it around, but I am replacing with F/O front with plain black rear instead
 
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PS Clobb - empty your mailbox

Regarding competition (IDPA) I heard a good one from someone who would know - Larry Vickers and Ken Hackathorn were watching an IDPA match, one said to the other "what the ef are those guys doing?" the other one says "I haven't a clue".

Thanks, I didn't even know it was full! Should be GTG now.
 
Food for thought. Here is what Hickok45 said when I asked him.

My question:

I've noticed most of your glocks have the stock sights, the white U at the back and front white dot.

I read that most people say they suck and you should change them out, whats your opinion?

Thanks


His Answer:
Some of the best sights on the planet or else I'd change them all out. :) I'm no sure which I find funnier, the fact that people hate them because they are polymer (Duh) or the fact that people say they just don't work.
 
Food for thought. Here is what Hickok45 said when I asked him.

My question:

I've noticed most of your glocks have the stock sights, the white U at the back and front white dot.

I read that most people say they suck and you should change them out, whats your opinion?

Thanks


His Answer:
Some of the best sights on the planet or else I'd change them all out. :) I'm no sure which I find funnier, the fact that people hate them because they are polymer (Duh) or the fact that people say they just don't work.

once you take a pistol course your opinion will change, while i respect hickock45 and his service as a leo....you have to admit he is just a fun shooter now and not a "rough use" kind of user.

practicing one handed reloads where you rack the slide on the holster or your boot or on any surface with an edge i have seen the stock rear sight get ripped right out of the dovetail, i have also seen my fair share of front sights fly off the older press fit style glock front.

i try to do one pistol course a year.... all my guns wear steel sights either standard trijicon 3 ball or the trijicon hd's now....i really dig the blacked out rear sight.
 
once you take a pistol course your opinion will change, while i respect hickock45 and his service as a leo....you have to admit he is just a fun shooter now and not a "rough use" kind of user.

practicing one handed reloads where you rack the slide on the holster or your boot or on any surface with an edge i have seen the stock rear sight get ripped right out of the dovetail, i have also seen my fair share of front sights fly off the older press fit style glock front.

i try to do one pistol course a year.... all my guns wear steel sights either standard trijicon 3 ball or the trijicon hd's now....i really dig the blacked out rear sight.

Im just gathering opinions here: I have asked Yeager and a few others the same opinion. Lets see if they reply back. Hickok45 has competed for years and carries on a regular basis and that's his opinion.

I hate the stock sights myself, but for as much as I shoot these days, they will do fine.
 
i have trained with tactical response, phase line green, rising sun tactical and they say the same every class..... "the stock glock sights are just dovetail protectors till you can install real sights"

yeagar recommends xs express style sights.... google some of his earlier youtube videos and also check out paul gomez youtube page, paul was the true guru of glocks.
 
I have also seen factory plastic rears get ripped out of dovetails.

They can be made to work; they're still notch and post and under good conditions (lots of light, preferably from the target end) they'll work fine.

But they don't compete with sights specifically designed to work well under adverse conditions, nor do they compete with sights made of tougher material when it comes to manhandling them. Hickock's a solid shooter but there are more informed opinions on the subject. I'd be looking for the opinions of people either A) competing at such a high level that an hundredth of a second's faster sight acquisition is the difference between winning and losing, or B) beating on guns hard enough that they're breaking parts. Hickock is not either to my knowledge. He's just a guy who shoots quite a bit.

As for Yeager's opinion...well, has certainly made some youtube videos and he did grow a beard at one point.
 
I have also seen factory plastic rears get ripped out of dovetails.

They can be made to work; they're still notch and post and under good conditions (lots of light, preferably from the target end) they'll work fine.

But they don't compete with sights specifically designed to work well under adverse conditions, nor do they compete with sights made of tougher material when it comes to manhandling them. Hickock's a solid shooter but there are more informed opinions on the subject. I'd be looking for the opinions of people either A) competing at such a high level that an hundredth of a second's faster sight acquisition is the difference between winning and losing, or B) beating on guns hard enough that they're breaking parts. Hickock is not either to my knowledge. He's just a guy who shoots quite a bit.

As for Yeager's opinion...well, has certainly made some youtube videos and he did grow a beard at one point.

lmao. Funny, still some guys respect this guys opinion so I figured id see what he had to say if anything, he may not even get back to me. I asked Mac at the militaryarmschannel as well.
 
They arent tritium, the sights that come with the G19 with threaded barrel are just metal suppressor height sights, all black in the rear, with a single yellow painted dot in the front....

I Have some tritium sights I ordered but havent installed yet, if it was just tritium I could understand them being useless in the light, but they have a white outline around the tritium center that is clearly visible in light...I dont like the OEM plastic Glock sights, but the front isnt the problem for me. I just dont like the white outline on the rear...I would turn it around, but I am replacing with F/O front with plain black rear instead

Not really knocking the supprtessor sights as they're far better than the stock "box dot" style, especially the platic ones. My two concerns with the suppressor sights are non tritium and holster fit. A plain rear and contrasting front is a solid setup.

Tdc
 
Not really knocking the supprtessor sights as they're far better than the stock "box dot" style, especially the platic ones. My two concerns with the suppressor sights are non tritium and holster fit. A plain rear and contrasting front is a solid setup.

Tdc

Yeah I am starting to really dig the blacked out plain rear sight. My eyes really aren't that good, and not having a distracting, busy rear sight is good. I will likely end up putting shorter sights on eventually, but I think I will have a plain rear sight with a really bright front.
 
just an fyi as i just got around today to putting trijicon hd's on my g19tB today.... the high rear suppressor sight does fit in to the "trijicon" sight tool... and glock actually did a great job installing the front sight, one of the few factory ones i have seen that is more then finger tight.
 
just an fyi as i just got around today to putting trijicon hd's on my g19tB today.... the high rear suppressor sight does fit in to the "trijicon" sight tool... and glock actually did a great job installing the front sight, one of the few factory ones i have seen that is more then finger tight.

You mean the (Maryland Gun Works) MGW 309 sight tool? I have the same tool it just barely fits the suppressor hight sights
 
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