AR Vs XCR

[andrew3081]

The XCR keymod feels a lot lighter not because of the keymod. It is mainly because of the light barrel. Majority of the weight saving is with the light barrel.

Just because you had issues and few other people had issues with the XCR, that does not mean all XCR have issues.
Like I said, I am not saying XCR is trouble free. But there is a few people that like to blow the problems of the XCR out of proportion. Earlier XCR had problems, does that mean the current XCR still have problems just because the earlier ones had problems?

 

[zeuce]

I have a current xcr L keymod and its been flawless for the 1200 rounds (50% factory ammo 50% norc) ive put thro it now. I hated the fast stock that was my only gripe. solved that with the dlask adapter and a CTR conversion.

 

[Brian46]

The problem with your analogy is the people financing the car in your scenario are driving that car, living with that car and therefor have direct personal experience to relate. A more accurate analogy would be be something along the lines of someone writing a lemon aid review on a car they saw their neighbor driving and had the opportunity once to sit in once. Get it?
CR5 has self admittedly no REAL long term personal experience with the XCR, yet he takes every opportunity to say it is at least $1000 overpriced for whatever the OP of the day has in mind. And of course everyone would be better off with his ACR. I get it, he likes his ACR. I like my XCR, but I don't go around telling everyone the ACR is a waste of money because they can buy an XCR with multiple caliber conversions for the same or less money.

My experience was discounted by the fanboys on here just on ownership alone, I explained it was someones in my houshold that owned it, I was there when it was purchased, stored in my safe and there at every range outing for every round fired (mostly fired by me) I was 100% hands on till the point where it was sold because of the problems that others post about here even after a number of trips to the gunsmith. I was told that all didn't count because my name was on the reciept.

 

[andrew3081]

My experience was discounted by the fanboys on here just on ownership alone, I explained it was someones in my houshold that owned it, I was there when it was purchased, stored in my safe and there at every range outing for every round fired (mostly fired by me) I was 100% hands on till the point where it was sold because of the problems that others post about here even after a number of trips to the gunsmith. I was told that all didn't count because my name was on the reciept.

You forgot to mention it was a couple years ago*

 

[Brian46]

The XCR keymod feels a lot lighter not because of the keymod. It is mainly because of the light barrel. Majority of the weight saving is with the light barrel.

Just because you had issues and few other people had issues with the XCR, that does not mean all XCR have issues.
Like I said, I am not saying XCR is trouble free. But there is a few people that like to blow the problems of the XCR out of proportion. Earlier XCR had problems, does that mean the current XCR still have problems just because the earlier ones had problems?

why do we still see some people posting about issues they have with the XCR today if all have been fixed?

I will give the example of the HK SL8, it had a problem with the reciever cracking (some said defect) it was really do to user error IMO (I had one and never had the problem). Regardless the factory recognized the problem, fixed the rifles and we never hear about it anymore because the problem is gone.

 

[andrew3081]

why do we still see some people posting about issues they have with the XCR today if all have been fixed?

I will give the example of the HK SL8, it had a problem with the reciever cracking (some said defect) it was really do to user error IMO (I had one and never had the problem). Regardless the factory recognized the problem, fixed the rifles and we never hear about it anymore because the problem is gone.

Like I said, please share the threads with the people that has issues with their current XCR.

 

[Brian46]

You forgot to mention it was a couple years ago*

when I originally posted about my experience, all the details were posted, I was still told by you and others it didn't count because I did not have my name on the reciept.

 

[Brian46]

Like I said, please share the threads with the people that has issues with their current XCR.

post #2, or are you only validating complaints about the keymod now?

 

[andrew3081]

when I originally posted about my experience, all the details were posted, I was still told by you and others it didn't count because I did not have my name on the reciept.

Yes, that is exactly what i said...way to put words in my mouth.
What I said was your experience was from long time ago you had no long time experience with it.

post #2, or are you only validating complaints about the keymod now?

Yes he has issues with it, with which generation of the XCR?

 

[Brian46]

Yes, that is exactly what i said...way to put words in my mouth.
What I said was your experience was from long time ago you had no long time experience with it.

how many years in my safe, shooting and trying to fix it is not enough to you?

Yes he has issues with it, with which generation of the XCR?

best you ask him as I am not the owner.

Here is one on the Keymod, took seconds to find on google. It even references CGN and goes on with others who have the same issue and how to fix it.


http://www.xcrforum.com/forum/29-problems/17408-new-lightweight-keymod-xcr-problems.html

 

[Brian46]

another recent and not so flattering review

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/08/daniel-zimmerman/gun-review-robinson-armament-xcr-m-part-2/

 

[andrew3081]

how many years in my safe, shooting and trying to fix it is not enough to you?
best you ask him as I am not the owner.

Here is one on the Keymod, took seconds to find on google. It even references CGN and goes on with others who have the same issue and how to fix it.


http://www.xcrforum.com/forum/29-problems/17408-new-lightweight-keymod-xcr-problems.html

The issue about the barrel not centered? That was posted here on CGN and Wolverine Supplies already addressed it.
Let's say if XCR has so many reliability issues, I am sure a company like Wolverine Supplies would not continue to sell and warranty them.

Again for the 10th time, your experience was from the earlier generation of XCR and most of the bugs have been worked out already. Obviously there will always be an odd rifle out there with some issues. Even $3500 Ar15 had reliability issues. So does that mean Ar15 sucks?

another recent and not so flattering review

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/08/daniel-zimmerman/gun-review-robinson-armament-xcr-m-part-2/

If you read the review, the reviewer actually said he got a lemon XCR M.........

I see no point of arguing over XCR.
At the end of the day, read all the reviews on XCR and other rifles you are interested and decide which gun or rifle you want to buy.

 

[Brianma65]

Hi

I have an AR15, been working with the platform for a while now and I'm finding myself more and more attracted to the XCR platform.

I like the look of it, and its non-restricted status.

Now I want some infos from the guys that own or used both. No "i heard of this" just cold hard facts. I want pros and cons.

Also, is it like an AR15 : one lower and many uppers ? Can I do some plinking with my non-restricted XCCR, then switch upper for the restricted upper and go to the range for some CQB ?


Thank you in advance for you answers folks

hey DT , I have neither, but I have an XCR-L on order. ( waiting on a 1in 8 twist). I've also just recently applied for restricted,and as soon as I can will be getting a AR15 ( black rain ordnance will be my first).If I could only have one it would be the XCR, you can't take the other in the bush. Does it really matter if you get 1,2or even 3 moa out of this type of rifle? Either one ,you should be able to hit what your aiming at( it's only a.223) . I don't see buy either of these if your going to bench rest it. If we had to count on everyone's opinion of reliability , nobody would be shooting. Internet search any firearm and you'll find malfunctions. So what if you get an occasional fte, pop it out and continue on, not like all those pop cans are gonna rush ya. The choice would be , bush gun or range gun, first, then which one you want, based on what you like.

 

[Brian46]

The issue about the barrel not centered? That was posted here on CGN and Wolverine Supplies already addressed it.
Let's say if XCR has so many reliability issues, I am sure a company like Wolverine Supplies would not continue to sell and warranty them.

yes, and that link shows by others reporting the same problem and the fix that the problem is not limited to one rifle.

Again for the 10th time, your experience was from the earlier generation of XCR and most of the bugs have been worked out already. Obviously there will always be an odd rifle out there with some issues. Even $3500 Ar15 had reliability issues. So does that mean Ar15 sucks?

Yes, that AR15 brand sucks if there is more than one person reporting the same issues from factory, the new keymod is too new to see if RA fixes the product and problems stop being reported (I gave you an example of the SL8 and how proper QC methods stopped this from being an ongoing issue for people gripe about. It was a non issue within months that you also saw no more posts about)

If you read the review, the reviewer actually said he got a lemon XCR M.........

yes, but should there be lemons leaving the factory? there is a lemon law for cars and you get full replacement rather than someones patchwork sent back to you.

I see no point of arguing over XCR.
At the end of the day, read all the reviews on XCR and other rifles you are interested and decide which gun or rifle you want to buy.

neither do I. If someone chooses to buy it ignoring current and past issues that is their problem.

 

[caramel]

When i decide to buy a rifle, i will read all i can on it before, i buy many rifles( very expensive one sometimes) but some never make it to my safe, it is not because of the the money obviously, what could it be, i let you figure it... Cheers. JP.

 

[cr5]

The XCR keymod feels a lot lighter not because of the keymod. It is mainly because of the light barrel. Majority of the weight saving is with the light barrel.

Just because you had issues and few other people had issues with the XCR, that does not mean all XCR have issues.
Like I said, I am not saying XCR is trouble free. But there is a few people that like to blow the problems of the XCR out of proportion. Earlier XCR had problems, does that mean the current XCR still have problems just because the earlier ones had problems?

I spent an afternoon with a light barrel non keymod XCR-L last summer and from what I remember it was still heavier than the keymod XCR-M I held the other day. They are getting closer to a gun I would consider but they still have a terrible barrel retention system if a person wants consistent accuracy as things warm and cool with use.

 

[cr5]

why do we still see some people posting about issues they have with the XCR today if all have been fixed?

I will give the example of the HK SL8, it had a problem with the reciever cracking (some said defect) it was really do to user error IMO (I had one and never had the problem). Regardless the factory recognized the problem, fixed the rifles and we never hear about it anymore because the problem is gone.

It wasn't user error, I had one of the first ones brought into Canada and I never pulled the trigger with the upper and lower seperated, my first lower cracked at around 500 rounds and the replacement made it 250 rounds, I sold it when I got it back with number 3 and included a warning to the new owner about it's history.
HK recognized the problem and corrected it means it was not user error but in fact was a flaw in the design. My last one had a Hera Arms gen 2 lower on it and ran flawlessly and could shoot 1 moa with a couple types of factory ammo and slightly better with one of my handloads.

 

[Brian46]

It wasn't user error, I had one of the first ones brought into Canada and I never pulled the trigger with the upper and lower seperated, my first lower cracked at around 500 rounds and the replacement made it 250 rounds, I sold it when I got it back with number 3 and included a warning to the new owner about it's history.
HK recognized the problem and corrected it means it was not user error but in fact was a flaw in the design. My last one had a Hera Arms gen 2 lower on it and ran flawlessly and could shoot 1 moa with a couple types of factory ammo and slightly better with one of my handloads.

a flaw that was exposed by the method you just stated, regardless this problem was very short lived due to a company wanting to solve the issue rather than offer band aids that only work for so long. It has been years since I have heard of this issue with the SL8 and mine is all original still to this day.

 

[9x19p]

Cr, I apologize, I shouldn't have made it personal. I should have stayed factual, so here goes.

AR vs XCR, all comes down to it's status. Do you want to shoot in the bush?
There are better range guns than the XCR. Perhaps an ACR in 300blk.

I've never owned an AR, so I won't comment other than 1 match I was in.
2 XCR, 1 Tavor, 1 SA, 20 ARs. 4 guns broke down, all ARs. Various problems.
I havent formed an opinion of ARs based on that, if ARs were nr, I'd have one.

When I bought my XCR, it was so I could shoot in the bush. It's never seen a range.
I've run 12000+ rounds of Russians finest, all corrosive. Nothing but the best for my girl. I'm the guy who replaced numerous parts, which were an op-rod, and firing pin spring. The op-rod may be common, as it was upgraded. The broken spring was a small section of the end coil. Doesn't matter, shouldn't have broke. The rod was at 3800, the spring I don't recall atm.
I've recently broken the hammer spring. The cause was bump firing, 6 mags. I'm not proud of that . That was ~160 rounds ago, it still cycles and fires 95%.
I've had the rifle lock up once, it was a gooder. I field stripped it, oiled 'er up and kept on going. It bent a case while feeding. The rifle was glowing at this point, I was afraid it was going to cook the unfired round.

With over 12000 rounds, should I expect more?
Before you answer that, you need to know the abuse my rifle has been through. I'm not a range shooter, I set up courses with up to 100 targets over 100 yard run. I can't so that at the range. I shoot it hard, I have 14 mags for a reason. I treat it like a rental. I've got al least an hour of video if anyone's in question.


I'm pretty sure I can break just about any rifle. C'mon caramel, send me your fancy rig. I'll do some real testing for you. I'll need ammo too please.

If you want to shoot tiny groups from the bench, the XCR is not your gun.
If you'll be at the range 100%, the XCR is not your gun.

For a nr, do-all well but nothing perfect, black rifle, I've been impressed with my XCR.

 

[Gunnerlove]

There was only one NR rifle that could run with the ARs and that is/was the Swiss Arms rifles.