Alert, 8500 KG of brass available in Ottawa.

Standard condition for these sales is that it can NOT be used to manufacture new ammunition. You need to buy it for scrap - any re-use for ammo is strictly forbidden, and you'd be breaking the law. At least that's how it always used to be sold!
 
canucklehead said:
Standard condition for these sales is that it can NOT be used to manufacture new ammunition. You need to buy it for scrap - any re-use for ammo is strictly forbidden, and you'd be breaking the law. At least that's how it always used to be sold!
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this is how i remembered it. There was a thread on CGN about this before
 
The one condition I saw emphasized was that it may not be exported without approval from ( I think) DFAIT)...
 
Two really important things to consider.

First is that you won't get the stuff anyway, unless you pay enough for it that you would be watching the price of truck fuel to figure out how much money it cost you to own the stuff. It draws good money from the scrap guys.

Second and most importantly, you won't take possession of it until you are registered as being compliant with about a dozen different alphabet organizations that essentially prevent the stuff from being re-used. It'd be a WHOLE lot easier and cheaper to buy brass in the US of A and get it exported here.

Part of the terms is that you get to maintain an end use certificate for any and all parts of the load, in perpetuity, so if you ever had any of the brass tracked back to you, that went where the certificates say it shouldn't, you would be liable for among other things, prison time.

Not a bargain.

Nothing to see there, move along...At least until the next newb sees the next lot of surplus Canadian Brass for sale and has a spasgasm over it.

I am actually surprised that the stuff actually ends up going for bids, when it is essentially a clean commodity item. Run it through a shredder and sell it direct to the mill for market rates and none of the headaches.

But that reeks of common sense and logic, and we cannot have that anywhere where PWGSC can get their hooks into things!



Cheers
Trev
 
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So essentially if you were to buy it and use it for personal hand loading, that's fine, but if you left scrap on the range even by accident, and someone who cared saw you and picked it up and they somehow could prove where it came from, you'd be in ####, yes?

The thing I don't get is, why does it not have all of those conditions attached to it? You'd think they'd say "buyer requires approval/certification from abc, deg, hij, etc"
 
Ya there have been several threads on this in the last few years... I think the best reply was that since you need to ream the primer pocket crimp it's not suitable for full autos hence it's demilitarized and a consumer product... Well... That's the answer that stuck in my head anyway.
 
Yea, I am pretty confident it can be used, even sold privately, they would have to state that before you committed your 40 thousand dollars. Plus, I've bought a good number of late head stamp IVI brass from various places in 223 and 308.

Though I don't buy that the primer has to be crimped for full auto. A full auto firing a mag full of 30 rounds is putting the exact same force on the cartridges in the magazine as a semi auto..... pretty sure the primers are crimped simply as insurance, so they are one hundred percent sure that they would never have a primer back out no matter how rough the cartridges are handled etc.
 
The lot I read about had the stipulation that it had to be escorted to the mill and watched it being destroyed. Or a shredder was to be brought to the site and shredded or crushed right there. One went so far as to drill holes in all the 50cal stuff so it couldn't be reloaded.
None of it was to be reloaded. Lawyers advising the DND to do it that way to avoid liability issues!! A whole bunch of wrong.

I watched a lot at an auction of 40 transmissions being sold. The guy paid $350 a piece for them and said he had another dept at the same base that he would sell them back too. He said they just cleared out a building and they happened to be in it. Crated rebuilt big truck transmissions. 3 to 4 grand each. Right place right time.
 
I have always wondered where the sea cans of dirt bikes went. I was almost crying as we tossed dirt bike after dirt bike into sea cans so they could be shipped for auction. Being a motorcycle guy I starte loading them in nicely until I got yelled at and ten we had to basically fit as many as possible in and shut the doors.
 
crash277 said:
I have always wondered where the sea cans of dirt bikes went. I was almost crying as we tossed dirt bike after dirt bike into sea cans so they could be shipped for auction. Being a motorcycle guy I starte loading them in nicely until I got yelled at and ten we had to basically fit as many as possible in and shut the doors.
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There is a bulk lot of BICYCLES up for sale in Ottawa, if that makes any difference.
 
tigrr said:
The lot I read about had the stipulation that it had to be escorted to the mill and watched it being destroyed. Or a shredder was to be brought to the site and shredded or crushed right there. One went so far as to drill holes in all the 50cal stuff so it couldn't be reloaded.
None of it was to be reloaded. Lawyers advising the DND to do it that way to avoid liability issues!! A whole bunch of wrong.

I watched a lot at an auction of 40 transmissions being sold. The guy paid $350 a piece for them and said he had another dept at the same base that he would sell them back too. He said they just cleared out a building and they happened to be in it. Crated rebuilt big truck transmissions. 3 to 4 grand each. Right place right time.
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The decommission rules make little sense to me...

I seen them sell off a couple old super structures from APC's, nothing but the main hulk with every bolt on piece removed... Picture a steel bathtub about 4-6" thick... Before being removed from DND property the buyer had to 1/4 the structure thru critical areas in the front plate and a key area the drivetrain bolted to... All that over an old relic? IMHO if your wealthy enough to rebuild an APC from the ground up chances are you don't need it to rob a bank.
 
Decommissioning is legal requirement for certain technologies. Other times it is done to prevent reuse, for liability or bad optics.

I have a 1974 Pattern M151A2 1/4ton Jeep that was cut into four pieces before it was sold as scrap metal. This vehicle was unsafe on sharp corners, and the CF grounded the whole fleet a few years after buying it, just to install a massive six post rollover cage. The army thought they'd solved the problem, but smart guys know how to weld and spare parts are widely traded. There are at least six roadworthy M151A2s in my larger metropolitan area.

MLVW trucks have been sold, but no provincial licence bureau is allowed to issue plates for road use. I hear tell, the CF was embarrassed that one would lose its brakes or a wheel and kill someone - while a sizeable percentage of the MLVW fleet is still in service. Err, that is while part of the fleet is still in use and hasn't been cannibalized for lack of spares.

Almost anything armour is covered by international arms agreements. Supposedly to prevent arms proliferation. However, odd stories come up periodically. When Gen Hillier announced Canada was getting out of the tank business, some very well heeled and well connected collectors bought and exported a few Leopard C1 tanks to Europe. Then Afghanistan changed his mind, and the For Sale sign was removed. Two decades ago when 4CMBG was collapsed, a Dutch dealer bought up a block of PCC'd Lynx recce vehicles. A few years later, photos surfaced of Iranian troops lounging around on very Canadian pattern Lynxes. To some these were cute little recce call signs; to others they were sunk money on scrap aluminum and hardware.
 
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