Dogs hunting deer in Ont.

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Here in Ontario you can use dogs when you are hunting deer. I don't use them however.

This past week we've had beagles from some hunters nearby running through our private property we hunt chasing deer. The land is such that these things are just chasing deer all over the place....pissing me off to no end.

R.
 
The dogs are following a deer from where they are started. They are unable to read signs or know what property is yours. Perhaps you should set up and shoot the deer that is ahead of them and catch the dog. Then take it back to the owner and thank him for the deer that they chased to you.
 
I concur with 9.3, his strategy makes the best of a bad situation. In increasing order of neighbor hostility 1)ask the neighbor to not run dogs when you plan on hunting or vice versa 2)nuisance dogs which are harassing livestock can be legally shot.
After rereading your initial post, you don't indicate whether the hunters are legitimate landowning neighbors. They may be trespassing or they may be renting hunting rights....perhaps some investigation on your part could guarantee a quieter hunt next year.
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9.3 said:
The dogs are following a deer from where they are started. They are unable to read signs or know what property is yours. Perhaps you should set up and shoot the deer that is ahead of them and catch the dog. Then take it back to the owner and thank him for the deer that they chased to you.
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Yup. We've shot plenty of deer out from other hunters dogs.

"Thanks fido, run along now"

Just set up on some well use game trails, and keep in mind that the deer are often 3-5 minutes ahead of the dogs.

Only thing that pisses me off is hearing some reckless hunter's hounds howling all night chasing deer. We often find them days later emaciated or worse. Can't stand the blatant disregard for a dogs life.
 
Using dogs is legal only in parts of Ontario. Other places, here in Ontario, dogs that chase deer have been known to get shot.
Anyway, you can't charge a dog with trespassing. Like 9.3 says, they're illiterate. You can have the owner charged with trespassing if he comes on your property without your written permission. You might have a case for a dog leash by-law infraction if there is such a thing locally too. Of course, you'd have to catch the dog and find its owner.
 
Guys running dogs often cover an immense area, and affect the hunting of a great many other hunters. I know it's legal, but wish my hunting area wasn't affected.

That being said, I shot last year's deer minutes after the guys ran their dogs through the area I was watching, the deer seems to be following them. I was gutting it when the dog guy came back, looking a bit unhappy, lol!

As long as they don't have the expectation that the deer in the area, especially the ones that get kicked up, are "theirs", I can live with it.

I have got grief in the past from some of them for hunting in a blind (on crown land) in an area they were working. Too bad, I was there first.
 
Are they running deer or rabbits? Many times I'd be out after bunnies with beagles and they would jump and run deer. It was a great pain in the ass for us. That's why I loved my basset hound. He was to damn slow for deer. To slow for bunnies really. You could drive into town get a pizza and case of beer and be back in time for the rabbits first circle with him.
 
9.3 said:
The dogs are following a deer from where they are started. They are unable to read signs or know what property is yours. Perhaps you should set up and shoot the deer that is ahead of them and catch the dog. Then take it back to the owner and thank him for the deer that they chased to you.
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Been there done that. One in our group took a terrific 14 point that somebody's dog ran to the property we were hunting on. We caught the dog and returned it. The owner was quite happy that he got his dog back and was quite excited at the deer we had gotten ahead of his dog. He seemed genuinely happy on all accounts. He had no idea the dog had travelled so far from where they were hunting.
 
I struggle with this....had a Beagle run the property in 63A this Wednesday and was pissed. Despite what I wanted to do, it was a nice little female, and craving attention and some warmth. She left camp after a couple hours but I got the owner's name off the collar....
 
The more groups using dogs the better! Deer are moved! This is the best scenario when weather has deer hunkered in, and mid day.
The belief that dogs run deer out of the area is very wrong. Deer will circle and go back to were they live. That and they will push deer from other areas through yours giving you a chance you otherwise would not have.
 
Don't blame the poor old dog/dogs as there just doing there jobs. Like 9.3 and captonion state get out there and take full advantage of the situation. We also have shot many deer in front of other folks dogs. And have had many dogs show up at our camp that were released at camps 15 miles away as the crow flies so you can just imagine how many miles the dog actually covered chasing deer. We always take the dogs in, feed and water them well, then put them up on the couch by the wood stove and let them sleep as they are hurting and tired. Never had one write the dog advocate on us yet. The dogs collars are usually addressed so we contact the owners and they come and fetch them within a day or two.
 
Almost every hunt session we end up with one or more lost beagles in our camp, taking refuge from the wolves. We usually feed them leftover hamburgers and sausages and let them stay overnight. Most of the time they have locator collars but never anybody comes to claim them (I wonder why!). I once picked up one 3:00 in the morning on a busy road.

No point getting mad at these poor dogs. But there is something to be said about their handlers.
 
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Can someone explain to me the nuances of running deer with dogs such as beagles? Specifically, are the dogs not trained to work close to their handlers, and follow commands, like bird dogs do? I'm confused by mention of dogs just turning up in your camps and so forth; do they just trail deer wherever they lead, and the owners hopefully get them back?
 
We run all our hounds with tracking collars. They start a deer in our hunting area and we set up on the usual runways waiting for the deer to pass. This is an attempt to block an area to keep it contained. Generally they are large areas. We hunt approx. 2200 acres. Any time the deer do not wish to be trailed by the hound it only needs to cross a pond, large creek, swamp or a lake. There are times when the hunter misses the deer or it simply get out of the area un seen. That is when you must go and find your hound. I am always thrilled when someone gets the deer and I get my hound back. Every attempt is made to train the hound to come back once he has lost the track but some times he gets lost himself and will seek a human to help him out thus ending up at a camp. When I have been asked how to catch my hound I have always said " shoot the deer" I hope this helps you out.
 
I hear what some are saying, but disagree. If I buy 100 acres because I want to stand hunt mature bucks, I do not want someone running their dogs through my property. Yes, I know dogs cannot read signs, but dogmen should be more responsible. They have a pretty good idea that there dog is gonna end up on private property. Dog's can't read is a lame excuse.
 
Waterfowler said:
I hear what some are saying, but disagree. If I buy 100 acres because I want to stand hunt mature bucks, I do not want someone running their dogs through my property. Yes, I know dogs cannot read signs, but dogmen should be more responsible. They have a pretty good idea that there dog is gonna end up on private property. Dog's can't read is a lame excuse.
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But if a dog pushes a smasher of a buck to you and you shoot it that's ok though?

Dogs don't necessarily have to be "ON" the deer to push it.. The ruckus they cause tends to get the smashers sneaking out of the way of the dogs easily, and just maybe into your shooting lane.. Im sure this scenario would be just fine by you, no?
 
I just love hunting over good hounds .there is nothing better then hearing a hound opening up on a cold frosty morning .you just know someone is going to get shooting .just a fun way to hunt .and I think every one that hunts deer should try hunting with hounds at least once .Dutch
 
Waterfowler, you may "hear" or in this case "read" what is being said but your not comprehending a word it. H"mmm, Let me guess, a died in the wool southern Ontario city boy who has purchased 100 acres which everybody and everything has to stay off of except mature white tail bucks.
Once the hounds are off the leash they go where they want, period. I respectfully suggest the next time the dogs trespass on your property you catch them sit them down and explain your property boundary lines to them. Then march on over to those irresponsible dog owners and read the riot act to them as well. That will solve all your problems, until next time..!
I certainly don't mean to be rude here but your just not understanding or aware of how hounds operate and what little control a man has over there movements once released. And like captonion has pointed out all this activity can work out to your benefit.
 
While running dogs doesn't bother me personally, Waterfowler and others like him DO have a right not to be forced to "Benefit" from other people's activities on their private property. Don't you think so?
 
Waterfowler said:
I hear what some are saying, but disagree. If I buy 100 acres because I want to stand hunt mature bucks, I do not want someone running their dogs through my property. Yes, I know dogs cannot read signs, but dogmen should be more responsible. They have a pretty good idea that there dog is gonna end up on private property. Dog's can't read is a lame excuse.
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So put up a 10' fence around your 100 acres. Not only can you keep the dogs out, but you can also make sure none of YOUR deer stray onto the neighbors land. Oh, and you can also keep out those pesky neighbor deer too...
 
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