federal top gun #7.5.... NOT!

I have never had a FTF with either Top Guns or Challenger, however until recently I never shot more than 10 boxes of Challenger over the past twenty years or so? I have shot lots of Top Guns though. I used to make an annual trip to Lawry's to load up for the season. I used them for everything from skeet to 27 yard trap to shooting live pigeons in a variety of guns without issue. Some of the Winchester promo's though? Oh my! I have opened boxes and discovered the bases corroded, crimps oblong and mishapen to the point that they shell had to be force fed into the chamber to fire. I have had brand new in the box with bases split and/or peeling!! I have not shot them now for a number of years though I discovered a couple boxes in some of my stuff this past fall. I gave a handful to a buddy one day this fall to chase down a flock of huns we came across while scouting ducks. I was hoping he would put the huns up and get a FTF just for a good laugh but of course all three fired and he dropped a bird. f:P:2:So instead of conservation through lack of quality it was conservation through incompetence!! :p
 
Shot being perfect wont matter if your aim is off, it all comes out the same. Win super target sucks and fails to extract because they are cheap and expand to much on the brass because it is so thin.
 
hnachaj said:
So why can the staff pick them up with a magnet???? It is brass plated!BTW, It is Federal Gold Medal Paper or Plastic and Winchester AA.
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The magnets are picking up the premium hulls because the primer is made of ferrous metal. The case head however is made of brass. You may confirm this by putting a magnet against the primer and then against the side of the case head of a Winchester AA shell or with a premium hull that has had the primer removed.
 
I love Topgun 20ga #9. I've shot it exclusively in NSSA Skeet Doubles/12ga/20ga events for 10 or so years. In 2011 I used it to lead the world in 20ga average at .9975.

Over time if you shoot enough volume, you are going to get failure with every brand of ammo.

Ammo performance will vary gun to gun, choke to choke. What works for me in my gun may not work for you in yours.

Brad.
 
bmcrae said:
I love Topgun 20ga #9. I've shot it exclusively in NSSA Skeet Doubles/12ga/20ga events for 10 or so years. In 2011 I used it to lead the world in 20ga average at .9975.

Over time if you shoot enough volume, you are going to get failure with every brand of ammo.

Ammo performance will vary gun to gun, choke to choke. What works for me in my gun may not work for you in yours.

Brad.
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I know just how much you shoot eh Brad! ;)

I too really like top gun 20ga. I've shot a pile of it as well. People say top guns smell like hot dogs.

I dunno what kind of messed up hot dogs people have been eating cause I've never had a hot dog that smelled like a top gun.
 
gwagen said:
I dunno what kind of messed up hot dogs people have been eating cause I've never had a hot dog that smelled like a top gun.
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Top Guns have a foul odour and is a secondary reason I don't like them. I know it shouldn't matter but it does.
 
I've likely become immune to that smell. However, there is something about the smell of Winchester 296 powder or paper shells, especially on a cool day.......
 
Regarding OP re: shot size. In reading up on how to make a Shotmaker, I came across a discussion about the SAAMI standard for shot size. For "hunting" sizes, there is an acceptable range of one nominal shot size larger and smaller. For "target" sizes, the range is supposed to be one half shot size. SAAMI apparently does not define "hunting" or "target" sizes, but apparently most people consider the 7.5 to 8 as the divide. So, for example, the same piece of shot could be in a bag of #4, #5 or #6 - that is, it could be a small end of range of #4, a perfect #5 or a big end of range #6. Target loads are supposed to be tighter - #7.5, #8, #8.5, for example. Coming from an industry who's product is sold by granule size, I am quite certain that the producers of shot will have a varying standard for the price of the product - I do not know for certain, but something like the cheapest stuff might be "75% meeting SAAMI distribution", up to super expensive high cost premium coated rolled shot might be "98% meeting SAAMI distribution". It just makes sense from a manufacturer's point of view that a $6 box of shells can not have the same shot as in a $25 box.
 
I have seen a few Top Guns that didn't fire, because the primers were seated too deep, but I haven't had any issues with them myself. Then again, I really haven't had any issues with the Super Targets either. Either one sees to break targets just fine, and if the target doesn't brake, it's because I didn't place the pattern properly, not because the shot size varies slightly.
 
Back in the day there was a company that would come to gun clubs and reclaim the shot off the the field we would buy it for $20 a 5 gal pail shot pails of that stuff didn't seem to hurt a AA average
 
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