Tavor or xcr-l ... Christmas is coming

cr5 said:
Are we going to do a new Tavor or XCR thread every week?

Tavor of course, unless of course you don't like bullpups then get the XCR.
And if you like better accuracy then spend more money and get an ACR and then spend more money and have it made non restricted.
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seeing how these Tavor, XCR,ACR threads appear daily. I have a question about the accuracy. If ACR = 1 moa = 10 lb rifle... XCR = 2 moa = 8 lb rifle ... Tavor = 3 moa = 7 lb rifle. All this from a bench. What kinda moa , would you get in the bush,free standing? Take in account of weight , using similar hunting rnds. I would assume most people are buying these as bush rifles and won't be carrying a led sled with them. Thanks ;)
 
If you want accuracy, get an SL-8 ;) ;)

Having said that, a Tavor is on my list, just not at the very top of it just now.

You guys with Tavors, does it treat the brass nicely for reloading? ie no massive dents or ejector damage like some guns do...
Anyone tried a 3bucc brass catcher on a Tavor?
 
Brianma65 said:
seeing how these Tavor, XCR,ACR threads appear daily. I have a question about the accuracy. If ACR = 1 moa = 10 lb rifle... XCR = 2 moa = 8 lb rifle ... Tavor = 3 moa = 7 lb rifle. All this from a bench. What kinda moa , would you get in the bush,free standing? Take in account of weight , using similar hunting rnds. I would assume most people are buying these as bush rifles and won't be carrying a led sled with them. Thanks ;)
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My non restricted ACR is under 10 pounds. I think it was 9.6 pounds with my Leopold 3-9×40 in PEPR with magpul flip up sights and magpul MOE front grip.
Standing freehand in the bush it's mostly shooter error but for me I want to know it's me missing not the rifle.
In motocross it's 95% rider 5% bike, but we mod the bike anyway so we can make the most of the 5%. Same with rifles, I want the best I can afford so I can't blame the equipment, when I miss it's me.

Not many XCR's are consistent 2 moa rifles, try more like 3 moa on a good day. The guys with newer ones claim they are better but I have yet to see a picture of a target with 5 rounds sub 2 moa without other holes all over the place. Look more like best 5 out of 10 is 2 moa. They are plenty accurate enough for every day shooting and will hit a coyote at a couple hundred yards, the ACR is just more accurate. If accuracy is important to you and you don't mind spending some more money then the ACR is a better rifle.

As for the XCR vs Tavor, I think the Tavor is a better built rifle, they are very similar in the accuracy department, the XCR is a little more customizable and can be adjusted to fit a wider range of shooters but it really just comes down to which one each person likes better. If you like bullpups and want a compact non restricted then the Tavor is your choice, if you like a more traditional rifle with multi caliber options and less polymer then the XCR is a better choice.
Unfortunately the caliber choices available for the XCR are either 6.8SPC which is expensive to shoot if you're not a reloader or the outdated, dirty, and generally crappy (in my opinion) 7.62×39.

I've owned or at least shot pretty much every black rifle we can have in Canada and my ACR is my favorite. Having said that, if the AR was non restricted I wouldn't own anything else. I already have 4 of them and was up to 6 not long ago. I could have 2 good AR's for the price of one of these other black rifles that don't do anything better than an AR other than they can be used away from the range.
 
Brianma65 said:
seeing how these Tavor, XCR,ACR threads appear daily. I have a question about the accuracy. If ACR = 1 moa = 10 lb rifle... XCR = 2 moa = 8 lb rifle ... Tavor = 3 moa = 7 lb rifle. All this from a bench. What kinda moa , would you get in the bush,free standing? Take in account of weight , using similar hunting rnds. I would assume most people are buying these as bush rifles and won't be carrying a led sled with them. Thanks ;)
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Lets not forget Mikethebike had tested his Tavor down to 1.75 moa with factory loaded Hornady Z-max.

Also, last time I talked to cr5, he only had his NR ACR down to like 1.5 moa? Or was it 2moa? And that was with handloads... Im pretty sure it was 2moa, and I am sure with further load development it will get better, but so could the Tavor then if that is the theory you want to pursue...
 
cr5 said:
Unfortunately the caliber choices available for the XCR are either 6.8SPC which is expensive to shoot if you're not a reloader or the outdated, dirty, and generally crappy (in my opinion) 7.62×39.
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.300 Blackout is now available for the XCR.
 
onetwentyish said:
Lets not forget Mikethebike had tested his Tavor down to 1.75 moa with factory loaded Hornady Z-max.

Also, last time I talked to cr5, he only had his NR ACR down to like 1.5 moa? Or was it 2moa? And that was with handloads... Im pretty sure it was 2moa, and I am sure with further load development it will get better, but so could the Tavor then if that is the theory you want to pursue...
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I'm slowly grabbing lots of different ammo again for a Tavor ammo review part deux, I found a bunch of new/different ones I didn't test last time around. So maybe some time in January/February
 
onetwentyish said:
Lets not forget Mikethebike had tested his Tavor down to 1.75 moa with factory loaded Hornady Z-max.

Also, last time I talked to cr5, he only had his NR ACR down to like 1.5 moa? Or was it 2moa? And that was with handloads... Im pretty sure it was 2moa, and I am sure with further load development it will get better, but so could the Tavor then if that is the theory you want to pursue...
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Has anyone else been able to repeat Mike's results? Guess there is one Tavor in Canada that was sprinkled with magic pixie dust and can do better than 2 moa.
Mine is a poor example for accuracy with the 223 barrel. Mine was cut to such a slim profile that I think accuracy has been affected. Almost everyone else with a custom barrel is getting 1 moa or better.



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.300 Blackout is now available for the XCR.
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Are there any in the country yet? Are they really available?
 
cr5 said:
My non restricted ACR is under 10 pounds. I think it was 9.6 pounds with my Leopold 3-9×40 in PEPR with magpul flip up sights and magpul MOE front grip.
Standing freehand in the bush it's mostly shooter error but for me I want to know it's me missing not the rifle.
In motocross it's 95% rider 5% bike, but we mod the bike anyway so we can make the most of the 5%. Same with rifles, I want the best I can afford so I can't blame the equipment, when I miss it's me.

Not many XCR's are consistent 2 moa rifles, try more like 3 moa on a good day. The guys with newer ones claim they are better but I have yet to see a picture of a target with 5 rounds sub 2 moa without other holes all over the place. Look more like best 5 out of 10 is 2 moa. They are plenty accurate enough for every day shooting and will hit a coyote at a couple hundred yards, the ACR is just more accurate. If accuracy is important to you and you don't mind spending some more money then the ACR is a better rifle.

As for the XCR vs Tavor, I think the Tavor is a better built rifle, they are very similar in the accuracy department, the XCR is a little more customizable and can be adjusted to fit a wider range of shooters but it really just comes down to which one each person likes better. If you like bullpups and want a compact non restricted then the Tavor is your choice, if you like a more traditional rifle with multi caliber options and less polymer then the XCR is a better choice.
Unfortunately the caliber choices available for the XCR are either 6.8SPC which is expensive to shoot if you're not a reloader or the outdated, dirty, and generally crappy (in my opinion) 7.62×39.

I've owned or at least shot pretty much every black rifle we can have in Canada and my ACR is my favorite. Having said that, if the AR was non restricted I wouldn't own anything else. I already have 4 of them and was up to 6 not long ago. I could have 2 good AR's for the price of one of these other black rifles that don't do anything better than an AR other than they can be used away from the range.
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5 shot groups is the standard , to measure MOA? I have a PEPR mount , it weighs a F in ton! Lol
 
mikethebike said:
I'm slowly grabbing lots of different ammo again for a Tavor ammo review part deux, I found a bunch of new/different ones I didn't test last time around. So maybe some time in January/February
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I will also do a accuracy test once my Tav-d shows up .... :) Ill throw on my Sightron S3 and try my best at 100 and 200 yards....

Im just waiting for you guys to figure out what ammo works best.... That will save me some cash.... lol....
 
DILLIGAF said:
I will also do a accuracy test once my Tav-d shows up .... :) Ill throw on my Sightron S3 and try my best at 100 and 200 yards....

Im just waiting for you guys to figure out what ammo works best.... That will save me some cash.... lol....
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Hornady Vmax 55 grain works really good in my rifle, but its not cheap
 
tavor didnt feel right to me personally. so I went with the xcr. I would shoulder one before you buy and see if you like the FAST stock. I didnt like the LOP or how it felt. I converted to an AR stock and now its perfect!
 
Brianma65 said:
5 shot groups is the standard , to measure MOA? I have a PEPR mount , it weighs a F in ton! Lol
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Moa is moa no matter how many rounds fired. If a rifle is capable of doing one moa then 100 out of 100 rounds should be inside an inch at 100 yards. Fluking out and getting one good group throughout an entire day of shooting 5 inch groups does not make a rifle as good as that one good group.
If you think your rifle can do 2 moa then find a target that has 5 or more small targets and then shoot a 5 round group into each target. Measure all your groups including flyers and then average the spread and that's a pretty good idea of what you and your rifle can do.
 
Ebola said:
Has the Tavor ever not done anything it advertises? Please clarify your statement.
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I was taking about ACR

cr5 said:
They also advertise they are reliable like an AK. Do they deliver on that?
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From the experiences of many owners and my experience, the XCR has been reliable.
Can't compare XCR to AK47 because i never own an AK47

Robinson arms are always trying to improve on reliability but Bushmaster/Remington are not even trying to make conversion kits.
 
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cr5 said:
Too bad they make any rifle in that caliber other than red rifles.
You can afford $2500 for a rifle but you can't afford decent ammo?
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that because i prefer to shoot a lot more for the same $$$$ cleaning is not an issue , im not lazy like some
 
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I've owned both, first the xcr then the tavor. I was very used too shooting "traditional" style rifles like c7 and xcr so I was very fast at snap shooting and transitions and stuff like that. It took me a LONG time and a lot of rounds to get used to the tavor. I'm still slower with a tavor I think but I'm not a competition shooter so I don't care.

The rifles themselves are both reliable (new xcr's) and I think they weigh almost the same. The guys who say the xcr is too front heavy with a heavy barrel should just suck it up or buy a lighter rifle. Its honestly nothing my girlfriend loved the xcr and she never b!tched once about the weight.

My xcr was slightly more accurate than my tavor. Xcr had average of about 2" @100yards and the tavor is 2.5-3" bothe with American eagle 55gr. Never bothered to try other ammo as bench shooting with a semi auto black rifle is a) pointless (other than zeroing) and b) the most boring possible use for a rifle of this type.

In the end I'm 50/50 I love both rifles and like others have stated, try to get some time behind both or at least shoulder them.
 
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