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Soooo... was at the range today working on some rifles for deer season tomorrow... I had a number of loads that I was going to put through half a dozen guns... my Ruger No.1-RSI 7X57 was a snap, my usual load (48.0 gr W760 driving 154 IB's) was great, an M77 .243 went well with 95 Partitions over 42 grains W760... ran four loads through an M77 Compact 7mm-08 and then hit a winner (45.0 gr Varget pushing 120 NBT's)... the 77/44 was perfect as usual with 225 FTX over 24.0 H110... THEN, I started on my Ruger No.1-RSI in .243... first load was just bad, second was worse, third was horrendous... I was starting to doubt the gun, except I had shot very well with it with a loading for which I was out of powder... the fourth load put ten shots into 3"... not what I would call even decent, but it looked like a rifle group, not a shotgun... that was progress. I was frustrated, so I decided to take a break and burn up some factory Winchester Super-X .243 100 SP loads, for the brass... Without, checking I proceeded to run 20 rounds through the gun... "wait for it..." and then looked through the spotter... "What the Frig!" Every round was through the center of the 1" bullseye... ALL 20!!!

Anyone know Winny's recipe for that load... sheesh...
 
"Soooo... was at the range today working on some rifles for deer season tomorrow..."
Guessing not central Ontario......Where are you hunting ?? controlled hunt ?
 
hoytcanon said:
Soooo... was at the range today working on some rifles for deer season tomorrow... I had a number of loads that I was going to put through half a dozen guns... my Ruger No.1-RSI 7X57 was a snap, my usual load (48.0 gr W760 driving 154 IB's) was great, an M77 .243 went well with 95 Partitions over 42 grains W760... ran four loads through an M77 Compact 7mm-08 and then hit a winner (45.0 gr Varget pushing 120 NBT's)... the 77/44 was perfect as usual with 225 FTX over 24.0 H110... THEN, I started on my Ruger No.1-RSI in .243... first load was just bad, second was worse, third was horrendous... I was starting to doubt the gun, except I had shot very well with it with a loading for which I was out of powder... the fourth load put ten shots into 3"... not what I would call even decent, but it looked like a rifle group, not a shotgun... that was progress. I was frustrated, so I decided to take a break and burn up some factory Winchester Super-X .243 100 SP loads, for the brass... Without, checking I proceeded to run 20 rounds through the gun... "wait for it..." and then looked through the spotter... "What the Frig!" Every round was through the center of the 1" bullseye... ALL 20!!!

Anyone know Winny's recipe for that load... sheesh...
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Maybe don't bother looking for their load and just buy a case (or three) of this ammo, preferrably from the same lot!

Nice shooting BTW...
 
Your rifle just doesn't like whatever that load is. Changing powders means you MUST work up the load again.
No manufacturer publishes the exact components they use. Doesn't matter anyway, as you can't get the powders Winchester(assuming 'Winny' means that) uses.
 
Well, now you know what bullet your rifle likes. Pull a factory round and see what powder charge is in there. (Probably a ball powder.) Then look up in a manual what powder would take a charge like that, and start there.

Start low with that powder and work up.

Knowing what bullet works is a giant leap forward.
 
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sunray said:
Your rifle just doesn't like whatever that load is. Changing powders means you MUST work up the load again.
No manufacturer publishes the exact components they use. Doesn't matter anyway, as you can't get the powders Winchester(assuming 'Winny' means that) uses.
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You just made me regret, going to bat for you when the masses were hacking on Sunray... again...

Hack away, masses... hack away.
 
sunray said:
Your rifle just doesn't like whatever that load is. Changing powders means you MUST work up the load again.
No manufacturer publishes the exact components they use. Doesn't matter anyway, as you can't get the powders Winchester(assuming 'Winny' means that) uses.
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sunray you have 21,603 postings, when do you find the time do all your reloading and shooting??????????

As a side note at castboolits forum there is someone by the screen name of mutigunner handing out information.
The problem is mutigunner doesn't cast bullets or even have a reloading press.
So everyone be forewarned, there are midgets sitting at their computers pretending to be giants, and they post in every forum.
And normally the suns rays give you warmth "BUT" sunray never gives me that warm comfortable feeling when I read his posts.
In fact my BS meter hits its maximum readings.

BSmeter_zps8e12dc2c.jpg
 
hoytcanon said:
Soooo... was at the range today working on some rifles for deer season tomorrow... I had a number of loads that I was going to put through half a dozen guns... my Ruger No.1-RSI 7X57 was a snap, my usual load (48.0 gr W760 driving 154 IB's) was great, an M77 .243 went well with 95 Partitions over 42 grains W760... ran four loads through an M77 Compact 7mm-08 and then hit a winner (45.0 gr Varget pushing 120 NBT's)... the 77/44 was perfect as usual with 225 FTX over 24.0 H110... THEN, I started on my Ruger No.1-RSI in .243... first load was just bad, second was worse, third was horrendous... I was starting to doubt the gun, except I had shot very well with it with a loading for which I was out of powder... the fourth load put ten shots into 3"... not what I would call even decent, but it looked like a rifle group, not a shotgun... that was progress. I was frustrated, so I decided to take a break and burn up some factory Winchester Super-X .243 100 SP loads, for the brass... Without, checking I proceeded to run 20 rounds through the gun... "wait for it..." and then looked through the spotter... "What the Frig!" Every round was through the center of the 1" bullseye... ALL 20!!!
Anyone know Winny's recipe for that load... sheesh...
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Not surprising to me at all. years ago when my dad and a friend started re-loading it was common to find big variations in factory loadings from one shell to another, never mind different lot #'s. we've pulled bullets back then and found 5 gr difference in powder charge in shells from the same box. We had to re-load to get any reliably consistent accuracy at all.

That was years ago...now the ammo manufacturers use Computer controlled metering equipment that is almost failsafe in maintaining equality from round to round. As well, manufacturers use more "design" cnc made bullets rather than an "in house, run of the mill" model that they used before.
Other than the "hobby" aspect of re-loading there is no benefit to the practice for somebody using a gun that well made factory rounds are readily available or only shoots a couple boxes a year.
 
bigedp51 said:
sunray you have 21,603 postings, when do you find the time do all your reloading and shooting??????????

As a side note at castboolits forum there is someone by the screen name of mutigunner handing out information.
The problem is mutigunner doesn't cast bullets or even have a reloading press.
So everyone be forewarned, there are midgets sitting at their computers pretending to be giants, and they post in every forum.
And normally the suns rays give you warmth "BUT" sunray never gives me that warm comfortable feeling when I read his posts.
In fact my BS meter hits its maximum readings.

BSmeter_zps8e12dc2c.jpg
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And, yet, he's not the only one with an excess of 25000 posts, and at least one of those has posted more than 12000 posts a year. By my count, it takes me a minimum of 5 minutes to respond to a thread post. That would be 60,000 minutes! Or 1,000 hours. That's like 6 months of full time 40hour a week work. And yet, he has time to build his skills from nothing in that same time to being expert enough to give advice. The man must be amazingly efficient to carve that from his life that easily.
But, again, I'm a ####, so, what do I know?
 
rookie wildcat said:
And, yet, he's not the only one with an excess of 25000 posts, and at least one of those has posted more than 12000 posts a year. By my count, it takes me a minimum of 5 minutes to respond to a thread post. That would be 60,000 minutes! Or 1,000 hours. That's like 6 months of full time 40hour a week work. And yet, he has time to build his skills from nothing in that same time to being expert enough to give advice. The man must be amazingly efficient to carve that from his life that easily.
But, again, I'm a ####, so, what do I know?
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A lot of these guys build up their post count in the greetings and introduction forum. Takes about 20 seconds to cut and paste the same greeting into a thread. These guys are easily getting 20-30 posts a day for a few minutes work. One guy has 30,000+ posts in just over 2 years, mostly from doing this.
 
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