Bought the dream rifle, or bought the farm, today.

Well Angus, what can I say..........congratulations.........that is truly a once in a lifetime acquisition. It is the equivalent of a Monet in the gun world............let me guess, you just fly sling wings for entertainment value right? You're actually the kid of a filthy rich old couple and the Holland barely put a dint in your trust fund allotment this month...........:p:) And I am one person who really does know what that little gem is valued at.........maybe not what you paid for it, but I could likely guess within a couple grand. To say it is a thing of absolute beauty in materials and workmanship would be redundant.......for after all, it IS a Holland and Holland Royal Grade........arguably the finest firearm ever made on the planet.
Again congratulations..........I'm not even jealous, just admire your taste !!!
 
Donny Fenn1 said:
nice work Ardent.
as for the price, i pity the people that want to know the cost of everything yet know the value of nothing
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I guess you figure people in the market for these types of rifles shouldn't ask what one in their area was bought for or the details?. Thanks for the input.
 
c-fbmi said:
I am one person who really does know what that little gem is valued at.........maybe not what you paid for it, but I could likely guess within a couple grand.
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It is easy to look up auction results, online listings, call brokers, etc to get an idea, but if it is unfired that changes price considerably.

More interested if this was a local deal or from far away.
 
Theoretically, you could argue that anything that holds its value or appreciates doesn't really cost anything. The management fees on an investment like this only come to a bottle of oil per century.

Of course when I tried that argument this morning it didn't even come close to flying.:( I think it was the laughing that bothered me the most.
 
B46..........I can tell you right now, that it will not be new nor will it be unfired.........these rifles were ordered by gentlemen of standing and significant financial stature, and were purchased to be used by such gentlemen for specific hunts or multiples thereof. Condition does play a role in the valuation of these firearms but just the intrinsic value of a Holland and Holland Royal Grade makes some of these rifles approach if not exceed 6 figures.............
 
c-fbmi said:
And I am one person who really does know what that little gem is valued at.........maybe not what you paid for it, but I could likely guess within a couple grand. To say it is a thing of absolute beauty in materials and workmanship would be redundant.......for after all, it IS a Holland and Holland Royal Grade........arguably the finest firearm ever made on the planet.
Again congratulations..........I'm not even jealous, just admire your taste !!!
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Yup, I have a good idea too, but there is, as you know, so much more to something like this than money alone.
 
c-fbmi said:
B46..........I can tell you right now, that it will not be new nor will it be unfired.........these rifles were ordered by gentlemen of standing and significant financial stature, and were purchased to be used by such gentlemen for specific hunts or multiples thereof. Condition does play a role in the valuation of these firearms but just the intrinsic value of a Holland and Holland Royal Grade makes some of these rifles approach if not exceed 6 figures.............
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no need to explain to me, If that is the case, I am just happy that it is not the unfired one I have been trying to buy for years from a local guy. He set the price, He just has not been able to let go of it yet.
 
c-fbmi said:
B46..........I can tell you right now, that it will not be new nor will it be unfired.........these rifles were ordered by gentlemen of standing and significant financial stature, and were purchased to be used by such gentlemen for specific hunts or multiples thereof. Condition does play a role in the valuation of these firearms but just the intrinsic value of a Holland and Holland Royal Grade makes some of these rifles approach if not exceed 6 figures.............
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I think that's what makes these sorts of investments so interesting .. Ardent is another of the temporary custodians of this firearm ... I think that's one of the joys of this sort of acquisition ... not only the craftsmanship that went into its assembly but the people who have held it and used it ... and will use it. Where its been and what it has done. A Monet just gets to hang around on a wall .. this rifle gets to travel a little ... and they will both survive us.
 
Holy cow Ardent!! Beautiful piece of Art right there! I'd be afraid to take it outta the case. That being said, it can be a family heirloom you can pass down. Congrats on the H&H and a very understanding wife. Now go harvest some critters with that thing.......
 
c-fbmi said:
B46..........I can tell you right now, that it will not be new nor will it be unfired.........these rifles were ordered by gentlemen of standing and significant financial stature, and were purchased to be used by such gentlemen for specific hunts or multiples thereof. Condition does play a role in the valuation of these firearms but just the intrinsic value of a Holland and Holland Royal Grade makes some of these rifles approach if not exceed 6 figures.............
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I don't need to know, I don't wanna know, and I can't play anyway!! But the John Wilkes .500 I hunted with was offered to me for $40K, and I expect the Holland is easily worth $60, in fact the seller might even be offended at the suggestion.
 
From the general appearance I'm guessing pre- WWI, possibly one of the first .375's made. You should pick up a copy of "Shooting the British Double Rifle" by Graeme Wright. Lots of tips on getting these old guns to shoot. Ballistics of the flanged aren't on a par with the modern belted rimless, but you probably know that.

Nice catch, wish I could afford to play in that league.
 
c-fbmi said:
Well Angus, what can I say..........congratulations.........that is truly a once in a lifetime acquisition. It is the equivalent of a Monet in the gun world............let me guess, you just fly sling wings for entertainment value right? You're actually the kid of a filthy rich old couple and the Holland barely put a dint in your trust fund allotment this month...........:p:) And I am one person who really does know what that little gem is valued at.........maybe not what you paid for it, but I could likely guess within a couple grand. To say it is a thing of absolute beauty in materials and workmanship would be redundant.......for after all, it IS a Holland and Holland Royal Grade........arguably the finest firearm ever made on the planet.
Again congratulations..........I'm not even jealous, just admire your taste !!!
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I wish I could say yes, life would be a lot less of a challenge and a lot more enjoyable, but unfortunately I think we're in the same boat and are forced to make it. The fling wings certainly compensate better than I ever imagined they would once you're in the right niche, but you're right, not the whole picture I made some very timely and fortunate decisions as a younger guy. Wish I could claim they were my idea, but they weren't, it did turn out well however. These last five years I've started cashing out one piece at a time and turning them into hunts, or now rifles. Like Dogleg says, I see it as a zero input investment, the dividend is simply my use of it and enjoyment. I also shopped hard on these and did quite well on her, took a long time to find it though as I wanted a .375 Flanged ejector, the single trigger is just a bonus and actually one of the initial desires I wrote off as they just practically don't exist. When you walk in and tell your wife "I found it.", she looks stunned and stammers back "The remote the kids lost months ago??", you have to shake your head and sigh, then start the sales pitch. Fortunately head office approved. Likely more than I should share on the web but we're a community, I'm right in the middle of being ripped off on the full value of a Rhino hunt. Guy has cut ties and disappeared despite a solid history previously, so my wife had some pity as I'd worked nights on the business for over a year to put that together and it's all potentially gone. This is a bit of a happy note.
 
9.3mauser said:
From the general appearance I'm guessing pre- WWI, possibly one of the first .375's made. You should pick up a copy of "Shooting the British Double Rifle" by Graeme Wright. Lots of tips on getting these old guns to shoot. Ballistics of the flanged aren't on a par with the modern belted rimless, but you probably know that.

Nice catch, wish I could afford to play in that league.
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You have a very good eye, when she lands I'll do proper photos and go over her history.
 
I'm late to the party... wow!

Well done, a perfect companion for future adventures. I can't wait to see more detail :)
 
She was probably just going along with it the whole time; confident that you would never find a single trigger.

Speaking of single triggers, I could never understand why a single trigger on comparatively cheap shotguns could digest 10s of thousands of shells and yet we were told to believe that the same set-up on a rifle costing from three to thirty times as much was going fail the first time out. I'm interested to see how you make out. Is this trigger mechanical or inertia?
 
Wow, just Wow, check out the prices on these rifles...copy and pasted from the H&H site....this puts Ardents new purchase in a whole different light, I had no idea they were worth this kind of money!!!
Way to go Ardent!!!!

Double Rifles
Holland & Holland .300H&H 'Royal' Flanged Double Rifle 24 inches HNDR 051 £106500.00 View
Holland & Holland .375H&H 'Round Action' Double Rifle 24 inches HNDR 063 £65000.00 View
Holland & Holland .375H&H 'Round Action' Double Rifle 24 inches HNDR 045 £70000.00 View
Holland & Holland .375H&H 'Royal Deluxe' Flanged Double Rifle 24 inches HNDR 027 £120500.00 View
Holland & Holland .500/3'' 'Round Action' Double Rifle 24 inches HNDR 064 £65000.00 View
Holland & Holland .500/465 'Royal Deluxe' Double Rifle 24 inches HNDR 050 £139100.00 View
Holland & Holland .577 'Royal Deluxe' Double Rifle 25 inches HNDR 061 £170000.00 View
 
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