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I was just thinking; short barrelled shotguns can be legal if they were made that way, and pistol gripped shotguns seem to be OK. Short rifles like the Mares-leg are non restricted, and I'd have assume that a pistol gripped rifle should be at least as OK as a pistol- gripped shotgun.

My question is this:

What obstacles are there to making/ having made a short barrelled bolt action rifle that might kinda/sorta look like my XP100? Would starting with a rifle action, having a purpose built short barrel installed and some sort of short stock be enough, or does someone have to have a manufacturers licence?

A single shot extremely short "rifle" like that would be just the thing for strolling around in the fall. Perhaps not revolver handy, but you can't have everything. Probably wouldn't bounce off a deer, and the guys at the silhouette range might even let the new guy shoot their targets with his non restricted while he was seeing if he liked the sport.
 
I did a little checking, and if I put a 18.5" barrel on my XP100 and with its custom stock it would be 26" inches. According to the CFO I can then get it reclassified as a rifle. The only thing is to decide whether its still handgun hunting with a barrel that long.
 
If its meant to be fired with one hand chances are it will be a restricted weapon no matter what the barrel length

which is also strange because clearly the Terminator 2 1887 is meant to be fired with one hand
 
I have a Rossi Ranch Hand, same thing as a Mares Leg. You can get a holster for these. Is great for walking through the woods, personal defence kind of thing.
 
Hitzy said:
You can try but I think the CFC says once a pistol always a pistol....
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Yup. That's why the Rossi Circuit Judge is restricted, because it's built off a revolver frame.

You can restrict or prohibit a rifle by making it too short, but you can't make a pistol non-restricted by making it longer.

That said, you can come up with some extremely portable walking guns if you put your mind to it. My AAC Handi Rifle in 300BLK is 5 pounds and 30". If I really wanted to I could put together a collapsible stock to cut off a few more inches as well.

There's many other options as well.
 
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Hitzy said:
You can try but I think the CFC says once a pistol always a pistol....
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That's the thing, I called the CFO this morning and the worker I got said there was no problem with switching to rifle status. I even explained that the reason I double checking everything is because I had heard "Once a pistol, always a pistol". I used that exact phrase when I asked.

That's not to say I didn't get bad info from the CFO, but that's what they told me. The other way would be to drop a blind mag M7 barrelled action into a XP100R stock, stay at minimum barrel length and again get a little artistic on the stock to gain the last bit. That way it would be "Once a rifle, still a rifle" The difference is I already have the pistol.
 
XP 100 may be different since it was originally built off a 600 Mohawk receiver (if I recall correctly), it may be just be possible to re-classify. I think it would depend on what kind of a mood the cfc tech is in that day
 
I suppose that the next problem could be whether its a bull-pup or not. I don't have a clue what the bull-pup rules are, and there's always the chance that the CFO office doesn't know what they are talking about when they said the conversion was possible.

A rear grip stock would take care of that, but then its easier to start with a Model 7 and a stock. No reclassification or verifier needed.
 
Dogleg said:
I did a little checking, and if I put a 18.5" barrel on my XP100 and with its custom stock it would be 26" inches. According to the CFO I can then get it reclassified as a rifle. The only thing is to decide whether its still handgun hunting with a barrel that long.
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Tried it, Ottawa refused.
Maybe things have changed.
 
It may be switched to "rifle" status but that doesn't mean its NR.
Lot of restricted rifles in existence.

In my mind you would essentially be changing a restricted handgun into a restricted rifle, which defeats the entire point of what you are attempting.

Note how the CFO didn't say it would become NR, just that it would become a "rifle".

Dogleg said:
That's the thing, I called the CFO this morning and the worker I got said there was no problem with switching to rifle status. I even explained that the reason I double checking everything is because I had heard "Once a pistol, always a pistol". I used that exact phrase when I asked.

That's not to say I didn't get bad info from the CFO, but that's what they told me. The other way would be to drop a blind mag M7 barrelled action into a XP100R stock, stay at minimum barrel length and again get a little artistic on the stock to gain the last bit. That way it would be "Once a rifle, still a rifle" The difference is I already have the pistol.
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I would think the Model 7 route is the way to go, unless you're doing this for the experience.

My plan is something like a Rem700 in 300BLK with a 13" barrel and 10 shot magazine. Cub Scout.
 
Note how the CFO didn't say it would become NR, just that it would become a "rifle".
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Actually they (She) did say that. It would no longer be a pistol, would be de-registered and as a non restricted rifle wouldn't need to be registered. Now, again, she could have been wrong but that is what she said. We were even laughing that as a non restricted rifle it might actually be good for something like hunting.

The single shot XP100 actions were a popular way to get a solid bottom rifle action once.
 
Dogleg said:
I did a little checking, and if I put a 18.5" barrel on my XP100 and with its custom stock it would be 26" inches. According to the CFO I can then get it reclassified as a rifle. The only thing is to decide whether its still handgun hunting with a barrel that long.
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If the CFO is doing that again. They're kind of on and off that way. Time for another phone call. - dan
 
There's a couple of options for you that don't involve any long winded working on custom solutions.

A few years back there were a number of TC Encores with the 15'ish inch barrels on shoulder stocked receivers sold here in Canada. I bought one and shot it on and off for a couple of years then sold it. But it was a very short and handy option thanks to the break action which provided for a very short receiver. And they were classified as NR.

Another option is a 16" barrel Rossi 92. These are quite short as well. And while not as short as the Ranch Hand it does allow for a better and more stable hold with the shoulder stock. And with the extra barrel over a Mare's Leg the bullets are fast enough that even some closer in deer hunting would be doable.

Another option is to take the NR Ranch Hand and swap the cut off stock for a full length 1892 stock. But if I were doing something of that sort for a fast first shot reaction gun I think I'd also make a new fore stock with a "hand hook" carved into the wood that prevents me accidentally holding my support hand too far forward and possibly putting a finger up into the path of the bullet. It's a REALLY short barrel after all. The resulting woods rifle would not be much, if any, longer than the 26 inch minimum you'd have to work with on a conversion.

You also want to ask yourself how you're going to carry it too. As noted a Mare's Leg can be carried in a holster. But a rifle either has to be carried in one hand or slung in some stable manner that still allows for ready access. A truly short rifle might not be able to wear a good sling if you get carried away.
 
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