Another thread on loading the 7-08

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I've been doing quite a bit of load experimenting with the new Tikka T3, 7-08, I got for our grand daughter. She is an adult, a small lady, but she easily handles full loads in the rifle, grouping at least as good as I can, so I am just trying to find a powder that gives a good velocity.
I have tried several powders, and there is quite a discrepancy between powder and the velocity they easily get. Also, a huge discrepancy between what the loading manuals state they will get and what the chrony states they are actually going!
I'm using bullets of 130, 139, 140 and 145. Haven't tried my 150s yet.
IMR4350 will get over 2800 fps with the heavier of those mentioned above, which is pretty good, but the amount of compression is too much to be really comfortable with. However, no sign whatsoever, of excess pressure. Same charge of Norma 204 will equal, or do a bit better with less compression, but my supply of N204 is too low to play around much with.
What I would like to hear on this thread is other people, who are using a chronograph, and doing similar loading of the 7-08. There are so many powders to try that information from others would be a big help.
H414 has been the best powder so far, easily getting 2900 fps, again with absolutely no sign of excess pressure, but it is so good in my 243 that I would like to keep it for that and find another powder as good for the 7-08. I got poor results with 3031.
Has anyone tried Hodgdon LVR, or Superformance, or Reloader 15? There is little, or no loading information on these powders in that calibre, so it means a lot of trips to the range to get very far and maybe someone else can help me out.
I have done preliminary testing with all of these, but has someone used them more extensively? If so, what was your charges and velocity.
I haven't mentioned accuracy here, because every load I have tried gives good accuracy and hit amazingly close to the same poi as the next load. I have made quite a few sub MOA five shot groups and nothing I tried was far off of that, plus, larger groups are usually my fault. so just want good velocity with powder that goes in the case with little, or no compression.
Bruce
 
are you necking down 308 brass or have you got actual 7-08 headstamped brass? I only ask because I am necking down and trimming square. As for bullet speed so far, I have no idea, I shot my moose with factory loaded fusion ammo and for deer I am just running 140's with a full load of H4895 and it seams to be working just fine so far........will know more next spring
 
Try some IMR 4064

My 7mm-08 does very, very well with Sierra 140 gr BTSP bullets and a near-max load of IMR 4064 (over 2900 fps and nice tight groups) I seat the bullet 0.005" off the lands.

I have posted this photo before, but here it is again

 
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H4350 and W760/414 I have gotten my best results.I have tried RL powders and other Hog powders but for some reason those ones I mentioned always gave me the best results.

I am at work right now and don't have access to my spread sheet but knocking on 2900/ft sec with 140's is doable and safe.Sometimes more but at a loss of accuracy.

Factory twists always seemed to like 140's at 2850 ft/sec plus.It has always been like this for some reason.

I have a 9" twist that likes 150's @ 2750ish. Accuracy load.Could go faster if that is what is wanted.

Personally I wouldn't bother with powders other than H4350 or W760 , these always wind up being the ones to go to.Always.

Send me a PM and when I get home can email my spreadsheet if interested.
 
are you necking down 308 brass or have you got actual 7-08 headstamped brass? I only ask because I am necking down and trimming square. As for bullet speed so far, I have no idea, I shot my moose with factory loaded fusion ammo and for deer I am just running 140's with a full load of H4895 and it seams to be working just fine so far........will know more next spring

Any idea what kind of speed you're getting with 4895?
 
Did I miss the barrel length and twist?

I am loading our 22" M77 and 16.5" M77 (1:9.5") as follows;

Nosler 120 BT, 45.0/Varget, Win/W-LR, 2.800"*

Nosler 120 BT, 49.5/CFE-223, Win/W-LR, 2.800"

Nosler 120 BT, 44.0/H4895, Win/W-LR, 2.800"

Hornady 139 SST/IB/GMX, 50.0/H4350, Win/W-LR, 2.875"(*)

Hornady 139 SST/IB/GMX, 44.0/Varget, Win/W-LR, 2.875"

Hornady 139 SST/IB/GMX, 48.0/W760, Win/W-LR, 2.875"

Hornady 139 SST/IB/GMX, 46.0/CFE-223, Win/W-LR, 2.875"
 
are you necking down 308 brass or have you got actual 7-08 headstamped brass? I only ask because I am necking down and trimming square. As for bullet speed so far, I have no idea, I shot my moose with factory loaded fusion ammo and for deer I am just running 140's with a full load of H4895 and it seams to be working just fine so far........will know more next spring

I have 7-08 brass, about half and half Remington and Federal, with Federal standard LR primers. It was shot in another rifle and I had to anneal it before it would size properly for the tight chamber of the new Tikka.
I am mostly using the Federal cases for my testing, and so far the primer pockets have stayed tight.
I have IMR4895 on hand, but have not tested it yet with the 7-08.
 
Try some IMR 4064

My 7mm-08 does very, very well with Sierra 140 gr BTSP bullets and a near-max load of IMR 4064 (over 2900 fps and nice tight groups) I seat the bullet 0.005" off the lands.

I have posted this photo before, but here it is again


That sure is a great load you have there. The accuracy bears out my long held opinion that for accuracy you load them right up, just like the factories load their match ammunition.
I too, have P.O. Ackley's book and I noticed that 4064 was one of the best loads he had, other than the old great, HiVel #2, which of course is long gone.
I do not have any 4064, but sooner or later, I will get some and try it in the 7-08.
 
I shot the 2 groups about 10 minutes apart. I had just installed the action into a Boyds laminate stock. The upper, left group was the first one. Lower right was after scope adjustment.

I don't think I've ever had this load shoot over 1" group.

The rifle also likes Sierra 130 gr. match bullets with the same powder. 41 grains gave groups averaging 3/8". Never chronographed that load, though. It was the first load I tried in the brand-new rifle.

My rifle seems to like the bullets seated close to the lands.
 
H4350 and W760/414 I have gotten my best results.I have tried RL powders and other Hog powders but for some reason those ones I mentioned always gave me the best results.

I am at work right now and don't have access to my spread sheet but knocking on 2900/ft sec with 140's is doable and safe.Sometimes more but at a loss of accuracy.

Factory twists always seemed to like 140's at 2850 ft/sec plus.It has always been like this for some reason.

I have a 9" twist that likes 150's @ 2750ish. Accuracy load.Could go faster if that is what is wanted.

Personally I wouldn't bother with powders other than H4350 or W760 , these always wind up being the ones to go to. Always.

Send me a PM and when I get home can email my spreadsheet if interested.

This statement you made, "H4350 and W760/414 I have gotten my best results," is exactly what I found, so far, also. As I mentioned though, I don't really like the very high, powder right to the top of the neck, compression with 4350.
H414 is so good in my 243 that it seems a natural for the 7-08 and that is what it seems to be. I haven't seen W760 for a long time, is it still on the shelves?
I was wondering if any of you have tried any of the three I mentioned, which I reasoned may have a potential in the 7-08; LVR, SuperFormance or Re 15?
LVR is the best I have tried in the 30-30, so wondering how it does with higher pressure in the 7mm. So far it has been ho-hum in the 7-08.
I will PM you my email address, thanks.
And hoytcanon, my rifle has a 22 inch barrel and 9.5" twist.
Bruce
 
My experience has led me to W760 as well. with H4350 being second due to being slightly slower. I don't want to share the actual load charge data for obvious reasons but I use W760, 140 berger VLD, Lapua .308 brass, CCI BR2. Bullets are seated to 2.895 COAL, these will not fit in a short action mag. I chose an accuracy node at around 2910 fps, but in testing I stopped at the first signs of pressure which came on at 3007 fps. Worth mentioning as well that this was shot out of a 20" barrel on a Browning A bolt action. Powders I've played with. H4350, H414, RL19, RL17, W748, IMR 4350, Varget. Also of note, I place W760 and H4350 at the top for a combination of temp stability, accuracy, velocity. H414 is faster than H4350 but I've found it hard to settle on one load throughout the year. I've completely dropped the RL lines of powder because of temp instability. In my experience a person needs to be very careful developing top loads at this time of year with those powders, ie, a person wants to make sure they've used them all up before its +25 at the range.
 
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/687427-7mm-Mauser-175gr-Loads-10-Different-Powders?

Not the 7mm-08 (it's the 7X57 which is very similar) and it's for 175 gr bullets, but it might be of some use.

Thanks Andy, it's a help.
For one thing it pretty well rules Superformance out, as being too slow for the lighter bullets I am using.
Your good performance with the slower RL powders would indicate I should do more experimenting with the RE 15 I have.
 
Any idea what kind of speed you're getting with 4895?

39.5 grains by the books should give me 2750 give or take, I am shooting the same rifle as H4831

Bruce I just got the berger reloading manual, you may want to have a look at ramshot hunter powder, of course the data in the book is for VLD match bullets and that long boat tail may have something to do with their max loads and velocity listed but they show 47.8 grains as max, 2853 fps with a fill ratio of 105%, that was with a 24 inch barrel.

I can send you a scan of the page if you'd like to frame it and hang it on your wall in good health..............

so what they show in this book for RE-15 is......

minimum 37.5 2549 FPS......max 42.0 2829 FPS and a 96% fill ratio

I have not loaded anything but the H4895 in mine as deer season was already on me when I got the dies and bullets, short of that I would have been shooting factory reloaded stuff
 
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