Best Bedside Defense Shotgun

Short pump mossberg 500, winchester sxp, Rem 870... Double barrel coach gun would work great also.
I would go for some low recoil winchester ranger buckshot or maybe some 3"magnum Turkey loads in #4?
Stored properly with an accessible key.
Defend your family and worry about consequences later.
I'm sure most married fathers would gladly spend the rest of their lives in jail knowing that they saved their children and wife from grievous bodily Injury or death (to put it in lawyer speak)
Just for the hell of it they sell zombie flash bang shotgun shells. I'm thinking though would f#*!k someone up enough to restrain them etc if you wish to go that route.
 
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grelmar said:
OK Ninja.

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Wow. Shooting a piece of meat. You might want to do some more research other than posting Youtube "experts" from a two-second search. Maybe you're easily impressed. Anyone who advocates using birdshot over rounds proven against 2 legged predators deserves what's coming to them. If all you have to look after is yourself, sucks to be you. But if you are responsible for a family, you had damn well better be making more of an effort than Youtube for your research.
 
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ADK said:
Wow. Shooting a piece of meat.
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Quite. If you want to stop somebody reasonably quickly you will be thinking about shooting through bone to get at the Central Nervous System or heart. Human ribcages are very good at absorbing #8 birdshot, skulls outside 1 yard are entirely safe. It doesn't matter how much muscle or gelatin it goes through, if it doesn't go through bone, it doesn't stop.
Removing eyeballs with birdshot is plausible, but not reliable, don't make me post pics.


klaus enuff said:
I am familiar with this story, it has often been quoted in the whole birdshot vs buckshot debate. I just want to add a couple points:

-The contact shot to the head was anything but, he felt the muzzle against his head and was able to push it away enough to escape with a groove to his skull. If the muzzle had been square to his head I am pretty sure the birdshot wouldn't have just bounced off.
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If by "bounce off" you mean "remove part of his skull", you are right.

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I've seen plenty of ducks keep flying with a trail of their own feathers behind them after heavy birdshot loads failed to penetrate the wing of the bird. It takes a HEAVY turkey load and an extra full choke to kill a gobbler reliably with a neck shot. It amazes me that any one would would load birdshot for self defence.
 
ADK said:
Wow. Shooting a piece of meat. You might want to do some more research other than posting Youtube "experts" from a two-second search. Maybe you're easily impressed. Anyone who advocates using birdshot over rounds proven against 2 legged predators deserves what's coming to them. If all you have to look after is yourself, sucks to be you. But if you are responsible for a family, you had damn well better be making more of an effort than Youtube for your research.
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His day job is as a veterinarian. He's probably forgotten more about anatomy than you'll ever know.

And that was just a quicky internetty searchy post thing, yes. But does not mean I haven't thought about it in the past, or done my own testing with different loads against different media.

My personal choice would be #2 Turkey load. But if all I had was birdshot? I would be quite confident at the ranges involved inside the house, where you're talking ranges of 5 yards or under. The mass of pellets hitting the target does not need to penetrate bone. If you hit the face, dude is blind, no more threat. If you hit the gut, no bones to stop anything and the damage is massive. If you hit the chest, the concussive force with collapse the lungs and most likely cause heart failure, without needing to penetrate.

Limb shots would cause massive damage with either bird or buck, but would not cause instant fatality with either. Either load may or may not be disabling depending on a wide variety of factors (crack being an important one).

And as for being "responsible for my family" boo-hah, you still make me laugh, Ninja master. The odds of having to fight of a rampaging home intruder are so extremely remote that the whole discussion is pretty much moot anyway. Being responsible for my family means making sure they have food on the table and I can afford girl guides for my daughter and class trips and whatnot.

In Canada, home defence situations are so exceedingly rare it's laughable. We don't live in an action movie. I lose no sleep over not keeping a bedside gun.

If you want an "expert" opinion, try this:

http://gunsmagazine.com/home-defense-buckshot-vs-birdshot/
 
grelmar said:
His day job is as a veterinarian. He's probably forgotten more about anatomy than you'll ever know.

And that was just a quicky internetty searchy post thing, yes. But does not mean I haven't thought about it in the past, or done my own testing with different loads against different media.

My personal choice would be #2 Turkey load. But if all I had was birdshot? I would be quite confident at the ranges involved inside the house, where you're talking ranges of 5 yards or under. The mass of pellets hitting the target does not need to penetrate bone. If you hit the face, dude is blind, no more threat. If you hit the gut, no bones to stop anything and the damage is massive. If you hit the chest, the concussive force with collapse the lungs and most likely cause heart failure, without needing to penetrate.

Limb shots would cause massive damage with either bird or buck, but would not cause instant fatality with either. Either load may or may not be disabling depending on a wide variety of factors (crack being an important one).

And as for being "responsible for my family" boo-hah, you still make me laugh, Ninja master. The odds of having to fight of a rampaging home intruder are so extremely remote that the whole discussion is pretty much moot anyway. Being responsible for my family means making sure they have food on the table and I can afford girl guides for my daughter and class trips and whatnot.

In Canada, home defence situations are so exceedingly rare it's laughable. We don't live in an action movie. I lose no sleep over not keeping a bedside gun.

If you want an "expert" opinion, try this:

http://gunsmagazine.com/home-defense-buckshot-vs-birdshot/
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So if you feel the odds are so remote of needing a gun to defend yourself, why even post in this thread in the first place? Don't make a stupid idea worse by contaminating a legit thread and question from the OP with terrible advice.

I would happily shoot an intruder with birdshot, if that's all I had. But there is a reason LEO/MIL shotguns are loaded with 2.75" slugs/OO buckshot and not birdshot.
 
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Horilka said:
Thanks for pointing this out, somehow I missed the idea of using grip instead of stock.
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And I can also tell you that recoil with a raptor grip is completely manageable. Obviously the bigger the ammo the more recoil there is, but I had no problem holding on to the gun with regular bird shot.
 
sewktbk said:
And I can also tell you that recoil with a raptor grip is completely manageable. Obviously the bigger the ammo the more recoil there is, but I had no problem holding on to the gun with regular bird shot.
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What about... aiming..?
 
jparent said:
What about... aiming..?
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Aiming requires a good solid "push-pull" grip on the gun with your back arm "chicken winged" out and the receiver level with your eye and bead on target.
Pretty basic really you just need a combination of strength and technique to do it without slamming your face !
Never going to be as solid as a buttstock but they will get the job done.

The raptor grip is longer then the original speedfeed design which helps for overall length with a 14" barrel but it doesn't support the hand as comfortably when you are pulling it to the rear( pushing forward with the front hand).
The rear hand slips down the grip and the trigger reach becomes too long.
 
Aaaww yeah!!! Self defense thread. I want to play!!!

If I have time yeah a shotty would be nice, but getting to a pistol is more realistic, but even that takes time.

In the middle of the night and half asleep, I'm goin for these badboys. Screw Call of Duty, I'm goin Assassin's Creed on some thugs yo!!!

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ADK said:
Wow. Shooting a piece of meat. You might want to do some more research other than posting Youtube "experts" from a two-second search. Maybe you're easily impressed. Anyone who advocates using birdshot over rounds proven against 2 legged predators deserves what's coming to them. If all you have to look after is yourself, sucks to be you. But if you are responsible for a family, you had damn well better be making more of an effort than Youtube for your research.
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Over penetration is a big issue if you have family in the house or close neighbors. # 8 birdshot will penetrate only 3 or so layers of 1/2 inch drywall therefore it is very deadly on anything shot at directly at close range but relatively safe for others. Maybe you should do a bit of research (or just blaze away with your 00 buckshot and kill everything in range on the other side of walls)
 
A groove to the skull would be removal of part of the skull indeed. So you agree that had the shot been directly lined up to his head he would be dead???

This kid felt the muzzle against his head and turned and flailed his arm just enough to knock the muzzle away. Your calling it a contact shot is disingenuous. Had the muzzle been truely pressed against his skull I daresay the gas jetting alone would have killed him, regardless of any load used.

Juster said:
Quite. If you want to stop somebody reasonably quickly you will be thinking about shooting through bone to get at the Central Nervous System or heart. Human ribcages are very good at absorbing #8 birdshot, skulls outside 1 yard are entirely safe. It doesn't matter how much muscle or gelatin it goes through, if it doesn't go through bone, it doesn't stop.
Removing eyeballs with birdshot is plausible, but not reliable, don't make me post pics.



If by "bounce off" you mean "remove part of his skull", you are right.

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