234 Wildcat Family....ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY

Hell of a nice buck congrats. I guess we can rest assured he went quick, holy eff dina that is just nuts how much destruction came out of the deal. What do you figure impact velocity would have been ?
 
BUM if I dusted an Emperor with this cartridge there wouldn't be enough left to get mounted...............I'd have to shoot a whole herd of them to get enough parts to get a mount. OR I could work up a super accurate load and snipe him across the ice at 500 mtrs and hope it slowed down enough to leave me a mountable prize.
 
Salty said:
Hell of a nice buck congrats. I guess we can rest assured he went quick, holy eff dina that is just nuts how much destruction came out of the deal. What do you figure impact velocity would have been ?
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I haven't had enough time this fall to chrono this cartridge but my guess is around 3500 fps could be more given the reaction of the deer and the destruction. 27" barrel and a full case of Retumbo..........anybody's guess, but I'd be surprised if it was less than 3500 fps.
This cartridge is like a little brother to the 257 Wby and it really ain't much lighter, smaller or slower..........the 257 creates these kind of wound channels up close too, but this 23 seems to be even more violent.
 
Very cool looking buck. Lots of character.

I've never used Marshmans bullets but they look interesting. Hopefully he will describe the bullet construction and expected performance for us. :)
 
Those bullets are made by drawing down a Sierra 1.140 jacket, .024 base tapered to .014 at the mouth and pure lead boned with heat. the lead is down from the tip, & that's what caused the explosiveness.
I was surprised it exited. If it was going at a humane velocity it would have pretty much turned inside out but retained the bond unless you hit bone then it would loose allot of weight.

I'm tickled by the performance on Douglas's deer. The Oil light comes on in a hurry with that much damage:d
 
Winter camo for beards is in fashion right now, Douglas. ;)


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The buck playing a supporting role in the photo was neither shot by a .23 calibre bullet nor is it in any danger of being scored for a record book.... :rolleyes:

Doug
 
BigUglyMan said:
L'autre Doug! Thought you'd been abducted.
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Yes, and by aliens with these PROBES!!!! :eek:

Been hunting, fishing, swapping a few guns, and other important things - including, by the way, the acquisition of a .234 cal stainless barrel (currently .23 BR) and around 700 .23 cal boolits, biding my time for the great flurry of .23 calibre rifle builds!!! :dancingbanana:

I am not sure I want to use a .230 Douglas on my next deer hunt, however....................

Doug

PS to Douglas, back to your regular programming.............
 
Yes Doug, the 230 Douglas may be just a tad too violent for the thinner skinned more fragile critters on planet earth. However if one just wished to rid the forests and fields of some pesky coyotes and ground hogs it would be a spectacular cartridge. One could even drop down to the 90 or possibly even an 80 grnr for even more spectacular terminal ballistic visual effect. One could also go to the ULD bullet without the bonding for even greater visual effect on impact..........Ah, the fun of it all.......
I'm hoping the spring brings some nuisance bears around so I can try it out on a more dense animal...........I think this cartridge/bullet combo would be about as good as it can get for sheep, goats and antelope at pretty much any range one could comfortably shoot, and caribou as well, I think it would also be very effective on elk, despite its diminutive bullet size. It's BC and SD coupled with it's velocity make it a killer all out of proportion to it's size. This is amplified by the Matrix bullets which hold together at least long enough to exit on a deer sized animal @ 100 mtrs, performance will only get better as one goes out from there and I believe it would still be very effective and expand exceptionally well even out to 500 mtrs and beyond.
 
c-fbmi said:
Yes Doug, the 230 Douglas may be just a tad too violent for the thinner skinned more fragile critters on planet earth. However if one just wished to rid the forests and fields of some pesky coyotes and ground hogs it would be a spectacular cartridge. One could even drop down to the 90 or possibly even an 80 grnr for even more spectacular terminal ballistic visual effect. One could also go to the ULD bullet without the bonding for even greater visual effect on impact..........Ah, the fun of it all.......
I'm hoping the spring brings some nuisance bears around so I can try it out on a more dense animal...........I think this cartridge/bullet combo would be about as good as it can get for sheep, goats and antelope at pretty much any range one could comfortably shoot, and caribou as well, I think it would also be very effective on elk, despite its diminutive bullet size. It's BC and SD coupled with it's velocity make it a killer all out of proportion to it's size. This is amplified by the Matrix bullets which hold together at least long enough to exit on a deer sized animal @ 100 mtrs, performance will only get better as one goes out from there and I believe it would still be very effective and expand exceptionally well even out to 500 mtrs and beyond.
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I was mostly thinking about meat loss when I said I did not see bringing along a .230 Douglas for deer. But maybe the Penguin will not be such a hammer - and of course the Penguin name is the one that makes me smile the widest.........

Groundhogs, once so plentiful in Southern Ontario, are not nearly as common since the re-introduction of the fisher, and that is a pity for those of us who enjoyed shooting groundhogs. Not so much for the famers whose crops and livestock took a beating because of the rodents.

Gophers will be a wonderful target for the .23 cal family, although I am guessing barrel heating will be an issue. I am thinking a three-gun set-up for gophers: .22 LR in close, a .222 Rem or .221 Fireball for moderate distances, and a .23 cal rifle for longer ones. Great fun!

Doug
 
Ya know Doug, for your intended uses that 23Br chambering pushes the 105s at 2800fps, with the high sectional density of those .23s it would be ideal for deer sized game with minimal meat loss.. that is of course if you accidently shoot them in the
meat.
Not that it matters but it will maintain the benchrest accuracy (which it has) for the life of a hunting rifle. Just name it something
cool and all will be good.
 
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