Casings getting stuck in revolver cylinder

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Hey guys,

I am having an issue with my revolver, and I would like to run through some of my thoughts about it and see if you agree? Or is you have any ideas?

The casings are getting stuck in the cylinders after being fired. They will not eject. The ejectors will not push them out, You have to bang hard on the extractor with a hard object and slowly they will creep out.

My best guess is that the brass is expanding and getting stuck. I have tried all sorts of ammo through it. The only ammo that works is CCI Quiet 22 low velocity 710 fps. All the other types I have shot get stuck. Even shorts.

At first I thought maybe CCI had better quality brass, which did not expand as much as the cheaper ones. However the mini mags and the stingers got stuck as well.

So here is what my thoughts are. Maybe the 710 fps CCI do not expand as much as the others because of the minimal bang causes to shoot something at such a low velocity?

The problem has nothing to do with the cylinders being dirty. I cleaned the crap out of them multiple times. Squeaky clean.

Do you think I am on the right track? Any one have any suggestions for me to try?

( I am aware that the revolver is a cheaper Llama brand, I got it for cheap and it shoots well and I actually like it other than for extraction issue. I will one day invest in a higher end gun...............*just waiting for the post "buy a better revolver"*)

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Just for giggles !
Q-tip dipped in graphite neck lube wipe inside of chambers. By the way check the case length on the Stingers as they are borderline over length compared to LR. Some manufacturers void warranty with Stinger use.

RC
 
I had that revolver, and ya the extraction was sticky.

It also had one chamber that consistently produced a flyer.

I didn't keep it long.

Polishing the chambers may help I guess, but I also wonder if maybe the chambers are oversize allowing the brass to expand too much.

M
 
My guess is the extractor pin/rod needs a good cleaning and lube.Have you tried to extract a full cylinder of unfired rounds. Try firing 1 round and see how it extracts. Try one shot in each chamber to see if there is one out of spec. Just start eliminating the obvious until you find what is causing this malfunction.
 
I have the same problems with my Smith 617, Eley target and CCI standard seem to be the best with respect to ejection..some even expand and start walking out binding the cylinder from moving after 20-30 rounds.
 
I have the same problem with a JC Higgins 9 shot .22lr revolver. the casings are really hard to eject unless the cylinders are lubricated

some ammo is definitely worse than others.....especially Aguila ammunition. and some Winchester ammo. since the revolver is a 9 shot the problem is worse than a 6 shot

I find CCI standard velocity ammo works best and ejects easy because it's lower powered and the casings don't expand

just keep the cylinders lubricated and they'll come out easier
 
Try marking the chambers with a wrap of masking tape so you can number them. Then try that one round at a time in each suggested by FALover. It may turn out that one chamber has a wide spot in the middle. And that'll make ejecting tough for sure.

I know that my S&W 17 gets VERY sticky to eject when the gun gets even lightly dirty with fouling. When I take it out and I know it'll be a higher round count day for it I bring along a short pistol cleaning rod with a .22 brush on it. I brush out the chambers after every box of 50. This keeps it working decently well for the whole day despite how much it gets shot.

If your Llama ejects fine when it's clean perhaps try this same trick.

Oh, and cleaning the chambers out can sometimes be a real PITA. Try a bronze bore brush mounted on a cleaning rod extension and run it in a hand drill with powder solvent. You might just be surprised how much better things become after that.
 
Have a good close look at the fired brass after ejection, maybe a bulged chamber or two or three?.
Maybe a burr has formed on the rear face of the cyl.?.

If cylinder chamber walls are cylindrical and true, no burrs present, then the normal springback of brass after firing will produce enough clearance for easy ejection.
 
Solvent and bronze brush, to make sure chambers are clean.

Take a close look at the side of the chamber to see if the edge has been peened by dry firing. I once bought a used revolver that had this problem. Caused hard extraction. I cured it with a light touch of a cone-shaped Dremel stone.
 
AgentFoxMulder said:
Hey guys,

I am having an issue with my revolver, and I would like to run through some of my thoughts about it and see if you agree? Or is you have any ideas?

The casings are getting stuck in the cylinders after being fired. They will not eject. The ejectors will not push them out, You have to bang hard on the extractor with a hard object and slowly they will creep out.

My best guess is that the brass is expanding and getting stuck. I have tried all sorts of ammo through it. The only ammo that works is CCI Quiet 22 low velocity 710 fps. All the other types I have shot get stuck. Even shorts.

At first I thought maybe CCI had better quality brass, which did not expand as much as the cheaper ones. However the mini mags and the stingers got stuck as well.

So here is what my thoughts are. Maybe the 710 fps CCI do not expand as much as the others because of the minimal bang causes to shoot something at such a low velocity?

The problem has nothing to do with the cylinders being dirty. I cleaned the crap out of them multiple times. Squeaky clean.

Do you think I am on the right track? Any one have any suggestions for me to try?

( I am aware that the revolver is a cheaper Llama brand, I got it for cheap and it shoots well and I actually like it other than for extraction issue. I will one day invest in a higher end gun...............*just waiting for the post "buy a better revolver"*)

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What you are experiencing is very common with ALL rimfire revolvers. Think about it "rimfire", the casings get hit on the edge of the rim as that is where the priming compound is deforming them into the cylinder to discharge. This distorts the casings and the hotter the cartridge the more distortion you will get. The extraction method of revolvers has no mechanical advantage, which makes it seem worse than it really is.
For easy extraction shoot every other chamber, I realize that a 3 shooter is 1/2 as much fun a a 6 shooter, but you will see what I mean.
Keeping the cylinder clean will also help. Polishing would be a very last resort unless you can see visible signs of defect in the chambers.
 
IMO the fact that is a Llama should not be an issue. They make good guns.
I have had Llama revolvers and never had a problem with them.
However I have had extraction problems with a Ruger , an H&R and even a Smith & Wesson.
Sometimes polishing the charge holes as Ganderite suggested helps a lot.
But if they are oversized or bulged, not much helps except really keeping them clean.
 
My S&W K-22 is prone to sticky extraction with some ammo types, as is somewhat common. I have found that spraying those types of ammunition with Hornady One Shot case lube makes for easy extraction. It dries into a very thin waxy film that does not contaminate primers.

Also, a .22 bore brush is a bit small to use on revolver chambers. Use a .25 calibre brush or wrap bronze wool around the .22 one.
 
Thanks for the idea tjhaile. As you say the .22 bore brush doesn't really dig into the crud well. I'm going to try a .25 cal rifle brush but with a straight push pull instead of the drill. I'll go that route since a drill will simply lay the bristles over with nothing to turn them back up. The direct hand push-pull will ensure that's not a problem while really scoring out the crud buildup.
 
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