Beretta 92 - 2000 rounds. No cleaning, no lube.

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Just finished a 2000 round test with my Beretta 92 Elite II and thought members here might be interested to know the results.The pistol was cleaned and lubed before the test started and hasn't been cleaned or lubed since. Details below.

Ammunition: various: American Eagle 124g, LCW 115g, Barnaul 115g
Dates of testing: 07/05/14 - 12/14/14
Total rounds fired: 2060
Stoppages: 8 - failures of slide to lock due to improper grip.
Malfunctions: 3** - failures to feed when loading first round into the gun. All failures attributed to old factory mags, problems stopped with new Mec Gar mags.
Breakages: 0

** I had NUMEROUS light primer strikes with a 1000 round case of Barnaul 115g ammo. I tested this ammo in two other guns, my Glock 17 and a friends M&P and all experienced problems with this ammo. Based on this, I decided not to count it against the Beretta in this test.


It was dirty:




 
They came supplied with the gun when I bought it used. Unsure of rounds through them or their vintage. I guess I should say "older". In any event, I have had zero issues since standardizing to Mec Gar mags.
 
After cleaning was there any rust or buildup that you couldn't get off ?
If not , that's really good . I love the 92s , always have .
 
I couldn't stand it. I am one of those guys that cleans his guns every month or two. The AR15's are the worst - those thing carbon up inside so bad that nothing but elbow grease, road rage and bronze brushes will get all the gunk out. It is one thing that I love about 1911's is that they are easy to clean...
 
My wife surprised me the other day with a new electric toothbrush. She threw out the old one.

I was annoyed because I think an old electric toothbrush would be ideal for cleaning inside guns. I use an ordinary toothbrush plus some brake cleaner to scrub the now. Works well.

I don't clean the inside of handguns very often. Just a couple passes of a bronze brush to take out the lead after each range session. Don't think I ever saw one as dirty as yours. That Russian ammo must be super dirty stuff.
 
Don't wanna start a cleaning debate but for those interested in learbing how carbon, lead and copper fouiling works, just visit mpro7 website and take a look. They did a good job explaining it with pics.
Now, a couple passes of brush does not do anything to remove fouling. Fouling grows in layers and a clean barrel to the eye does not mean te fouling has been removed, what you are seeing is the last layer of fouling which will look clean after passing a patch, but it is not. A brush on it own might remove the first layer of carbon but it will stop removing stuff when it hits the first layer of copper or lead which are welded to the barrel and need to be removed with chemichals (mpro7 copper works great for xopper).
In other words, dont edpect to have a clean barrel in 5 minutes after 2-5 thousand rounds. You are looking at 2-3 hour job.

Just putting that out there!
 
Ok I see. Still is quite a pain to dissasemble in conparison to a 92, just the basics not the full thing
 
One Lung Wonder said:
I couldn't stand it. I am one of those guys that cleans his guns every month or two. The AR15's are the worst - those thing carbon up inside so bad that nothing but elbow grease, road rage and bronze brushes will get all the gunk out. It is one thing that I love about 1911's is that they are easy to clean...
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AR are easy. Tooth Brush, Brake Clean or ATF, scrub, and then Hot water or steam cleaner, Wipe, Dry and Oil... Done.

Ganderite said:
My wife surprised me the other day with a new electric toothbrush. She threw out the old one.

I was annoyed because I think an old electric toothbrush would be ideal for cleaning inside guns. I use an ordinary toothbrush plus some brake cleaner to scrub the now. Works well.

I don't clean the inside of handguns very often. Just a couple passes of a bronze brush to take out the lead after each range session. Don't think I ever saw one as dirty as yours. That Russian ammo must be super dirty stuff.
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I used Electrical contact cleaner, aint as rough, doesn't smell that bad and doesn't leave that film. I use child tooth brush. Find them better then the hard bristle brushes you get in cleaning kits.
 
I was using a brand new 92 Inox last night, we put a 100 rounds of Winchester ammo through it and and then switched to the Russian ammo. There was a big difference in the smell of the powder and after 2-300 rounds it was still working perfectly, but you could see the carbon starting to build up by the end of the night. The Russian ammo was a lot dirtier than the Winchester.
 
One Lung Wonder said:
I couldn't stand it. I am one of those guys that cleans his guns every month or two. The AR15's are the worst - those thing carbon up inside so bad that nothing but elbow grease, road rage and bronze brushes will get all the gunk out. It is one thing that I love about 1911's is that they are easy to clean...
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I don't think Clobb's had that gun much more than a month
 
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