Thanks for that. Good to know. Maybe thats why I haven't heard back from him.
Single action revolver
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Thanks for that. Good to know. Maybe thats why I haven't heard back from him.
For cowboy action, i use my Uberti's with light loads. They have been very faithful and reliable. I have a bag of brass (about 500 or so) ready for their third reload. I use the 357 brass mainly. The reason for this is that the repros (in my my research) were designed for the powder of the day. So I load up to about 800 fps with unique, or the lighter Trailboss.
For the really stout loads, it is over to my Ruger Blackhawk. This thing is a tank with a 6.5" barrel. I changed out the grips though, as I really could not get used to that narrower "Ruger" feel.
Both are awesome. I looked at the Cimmeron and Pieta products. was not too happy with the generous tolerances I noticed. Cheers!
For the really stout loads, it is over to my Ruger Blackhawk. This thing is a tank with a 6.5" barrel. I changed out the grips though, as I really could not get used to that narrower "Ruger" feel.
Both are awesome. I looked at the Cimmeron and Pieta products. was not too happy with the generous tolerances I noticed. Cheers!
I've been considering the Rugers. They cost basically twice what the Piettas and similar guns cost, but the more I speak with people who actually shoot Cowboy a lot, the more it sounds like it'll be worth the investment. The less expensive guns are still tempting, but the quality difference is noticeable when head-to-head with the Rugers.
I'm really interested in CAS but the up-front cost is tremendous. I'd also really like to buy a Super Blackhawk, but then I'm not going to use that for CAS and I'd have to buy two more revolvers. Lately I've been looking to fill that single-action hole in my collection but the implications of the choices are pretty far-reaching.
If anybody wants to help solve this crushing dilemma, feel free to EMT me some money. We'll both feel great afterwards!
Reading around some other forums it appears that Taylors is just another Uberti importer that puts their own name on the guns. SOME special models, such as their Smokewagon, get a going over by their own workers to tune them up and then get sold at a suitable markup price.
Way back in the 90's and before it seems that Pietta was second place to Uberti for quality and finish. But having both Uberti and Pietta guns I can't say that there's any significant difference at all these days. Both brands produce nice guns that work. But due to their pricing both are made at a balance of cost and quality. So either brand can gain something from a tuneup and slicking up work for that last little bit. But even out of the box they are both good quality shooters.
I bought a couple of Piettas about 6 years back and they've both been flawless. In fact they just keep getting better. Round count is up around 3500 to 4000 through each gun by now.
The choice between an Italian replica and a Ruger is going to be largely based on your desire for guns that are authentic copies of the original Colts of the time. I chose to go with the Italian guns for this reason. I wanted to have the experience of historically accurate guns instead of new designs that only look like the old guns.
There's also a little glitch with the Rugers that we don't get with the old Colt action guns. Namely a short draw on the hammer. With a Ruger if you short #### the hammer and it falls back when you recock the hammer you skip a round. And that means you need to cycle around to find it. With the Colt copies a short #### and fall back just stops at the half #### position and you can reach up and pull back to full #### without skipping a round. So in this one way there's actually an advantage to the guns that have original Colt style actions.
In the end Ruger makes a nice gun. There's no doubt about that. But the Italians are not far behind. And for a lot of us the Italian guns are preferred for their authenticity to the true guns of the old west.
As for Taylors or Cimmaron or an actual Uberti it's all the same gun from the same maker other than for the higher priced "specials". I suppose you can buy those special models and avoid having a smith go over them or you can buy the basic Uberti made guns and actually try them first. Then if you need to THEN get some slicking up and tuning work done. And by then you'll know which traits are going to help you the most so the tuning you get done can be more focused.
If you're so intent on winning right off that you're worried about tuned vs unturned and one brand over another then there really is only one caliber for you anyway. Namely .38Spl so you can work with the light loads and work towards getting as fast as you can. There's also only one rifle for you as well. Namely the 1873 Uberti which you'll buy and then have it slicked up and set up with a short stroke kit. If you're this serious plan on investing around $2500 to $2700 just into the rifle since that's what it costs to buy then smith up one of these to a serious match level.
Way back in the 90's and before it seems that Pietta was second place to Uberti for quality and finish. But having both Uberti and Pietta guns I can't say that there's any significant difference at all these days. Both brands produce nice guns that work. But due to their pricing both are made at a balance of cost and quality. So either brand can gain something from a tuneup and slicking up work for that last little bit. But even out of the box they are both good quality shooters.
I bought a couple of Piettas about 6 years back and they've both been flawless. In fact they just keep getting better. Round count is up around 3500 to 4000 through each gun by now.
The choice between an Italian replica and a Ruger is going to be largely based on your desire for guns that are authentic copies of the original Colts of the time. I chose to go with the Italian guns for this reason. I wanted to have the experience of historically accurate guns instead of new designs that only look like the old guns.
There's also a little glitch with the Rugers that we don't get with the old Colt action guns. Namely a short draw on the hammer. With a Ruger if you short #### the hammer and it falls back when you recock the hammer you skip a round. And that means you need to cycle around to find it. With the Colt copies a short #### and fall back just stops at the half #### position and you can reach up and pull back to full #### without skipping a round. So in this one way there's actually an advantage to the guns that have original Colt style actions.
In the end Ruger makes a nice gun. There's no doubt about that. But the Italians are not far behind. And for a lot of us the Italian guns are preferred for their authenticity to the true guns of the old west.
As for Taylors or Cimmaron or an actual Uberti it's all the same gun from the same maker other than for the higher priced "specials". I suppose you can buy those special models and avoid having a smith go over them or you can buy the basic Uberti made guns and actually try them first. Then if you need to THEN get some slicking up and tuning work done. And by then you'll know which traits are going to help you the most so the tuning you get done can be more focused.
If you're so intent on winning right off that you're worried about tuned vs unturned and one brand over another then there really is only one caliber for you anyway. Namely .38Spl so you can work with the light loads and work towards getting as fast as you can. There's also only one rifle for you as well. Namely the 1873 Uberti which you'll buy and then have it slicked up and set up with a short stroke kit. If you're this serious plan on investing around $2500 to $2700 just into the rifle since that's what it costs to buy then smith up one of these to a serious match level.
Well my afore mentioned pietta 1873 sa .44 rem mag just arrived...done full strip and re assembly...and I have to say, either I'm just lucky, but it's really well put together, nice tight headspace, runs freely, decent trigger, really decent blueing....on the whole I'm very happy....easily the best value cas pistol....I'll shoot at the weekend and post my results...
shotgun-bob
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i have 2 piettas (4 3/4" & 7 1/2")...love them
good value for dollar spent
(yes, i save the heavy loads for my ruger)
good value for dollar spent
(yes, i save the heavy loads for my ruger)
I handled a Uberti S&W Russian and quite liked it other than the tiny sights
I'm told that their 44 Russian models are now being made with the more authentic short cylinder that the current 45 colt ones can't use. It's on the someday list...
Otherwise I'm keeping my eyes lazily open towards a used 6" Blackhawk 45ACP/Colt, possibly a Bisley version. I have more confidence in buying an old used Ruger sight unseen than I do any other SA or DA revolver.
The gent in the old photos... Elmer Keith?
If I ever shoot CAS it'll be with the 44-40 or 45 colt. Boom is more fun than chasing ribbons
I'm told that their 44 Russian models are now being made with the more authentic short cylinder that the current 45 colt ones can't use. It's on the someday list...
Otherwise I'm keeping my eyes lazily open towards a used 6" Blackhawk 45ACP/Colt, possibly a Bisley version. I have more confidence in buying an old used Ruger sight unseen than I do any other SA or DA revolver.
The gent in the old photos... Elmer Keith?
If I ever shoot CAS it'll be with the 44-40 or 45 colt. Boom is more fun than chasing ribbons
Johnn Peterson
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Chemainus B.C.
I handled a Uberti S&W Russian and quite liked it other than the tiny sights
I'm told that their 44 Russian models are now being made with the more authentic short cylinder that the current 45 colt ones can't use. It's on the someday list...
Otherwise I'm keeping my eyes lazily open towards a used 6" Blackhawk 45ACP/Colt, possibly a Bisley version. I have more confidence in buying an old used Ruger sight unseen than I do any other SA or DA revolver.
The gent in the old photos... Elmer Keith?
If I ever shoot CAS it'll be with the 44-40 or 45 colt. Boom is more fun than chasing ribbons
The one and only. Same gent on my avatar.
Johnn Peterson
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Chemainus B.C.
If I ever shoot CAS it'll be with the 44-40 or 45 colt. Boom is more fun than chasing ribbons
Kinda' what I had in mind when I picked up my 5 1/2" old model Ruger Vaquero in 45LC.
And with the John Wayne replica holster,
sort of brings to mind a tune from the Marty Robins Gunfighter album. Big Iron.
Very nice pistol and leather rig. I just got my first single action, a Ruger new model Blackhawk in 357. Haven't shot it yet, maybe this weekend if I can punch my archery tag.
That's incredible that you met Elmer Keith, I missed the cool generation by just a few years!
That's incredible that you met Elmer Keith, I missed the cool generation by just a few years!
Johnn Peterson
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Chemainus B.C.
Actually, I had the good fortune to meet with him twice in the mid 70's. The first was the day I spent with him at his home in Salmon Idaho. The second, was at a gun show in Kalispell Montana and at the dinner that evening, he was the guest of honour. I believe he had just been awarded the first ever Handgunner of The Year award. Just recently, I was offered and purchased a S&W Elmer Keith commemorative.
My only 'safe Queen' but I am now thinking of putting a cylinder full of his loads through it every March 8th, his birthday.
And, fairly recently, I contacted the outfit that made the holster he used for the daily packing of his 4" model S&W 29, and they were kind enough to make up a replica of it for my 29.
I shot CASS for years went thru a few different guns had issues with all but my 5.5" Ruger Bisley Vaquero's in 45 Colt.
My buddy has been pushing me for the last several years to sell them to him he finally won out a few months ago so my babies are no longer mine...
If I was to get into CASS again only guns I would buy would be Ruger's = New Vaqueo's or New Bisley Vaquero's.
My buddy has been pushing me for the last several years to sell them to him he finally won out a few months ago so my babies are no longer mine...
If I was to get into CASS again only guns I would buy would be Ruger's = New Vaqueo's or New Bisley Vaquero's.
Johnn Peterson
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Chemainus B.C.
I shot CASS for years went thru a few different guns had issues with all but my 5.5" Ruger Bisley Vaquero's in 45 Colt.
My buddy has been pushing me for the last several years to sell them to him he finally won out a few months ago so my babies are no longer mine...
If I was to get into CASS again only guns I would buy would be Ruger's = New Vaqueo's or New Bisley Vaquero's.
For CASS, that would be a very good choice. My old model Vaquero is a little bigger and heavier than what would be required for that type of shooting. Although I have a few, stainless guns are not my first choice
but I did acquire one a while back that the more I use it the more I like it. A SS Ruger 4 5/8" convertable in 45ACP/45LC.
On the other hand a slipped or short cocking action on a Ruger results in a skipped round and the need to run through the cylinder again to get back to that shot. A "feature" that is not shared by the old 3 screw style original Colt action guns. If one short thumbs the hammer on a Colt copy they merely need to re-#### the hammer and the gun is still on the same round.
So while an Italian Colt copy may need a little more internal attention to match the Ruger reliability it also provides a feature that can be a time saver.
So while an Italian Colt copy may need a little more internal attention to match the Ruger reliability it also provides a feature that can be a time saver.
Here is a pic of my full size consecutive serial # Ruger Bisley Vaquero's that could handle my hottest to the lightest 45 Colt loads even had them on my ATC for a couple of years.
As far as I am concerned they are by far the ultimate 6 shot single action revolver ever made.
Re short cocked I had free spin pawls installed so not an issue but never had it happen I shot dualist.
As far as I am concerned they are by far the ultimate 6 shot single action revolver ever made.
Re short cocked I had free spin pawls installed so not an issue but never had it happen I shot dualist.
I just found out my RPAL is in the mail, I have a uberti El patron 5 1/2 barrel in 45lc , on hold at wolverine . It'll be my first handgun. Anybody know of a place in Canada that sells a half decent holster and cartridge belt, something with the trigger guard not covered and no strap that holds the gun in place? Maybe around the $200 price range . And I've noticed some holsters are at the waist line and some are below the hip. I'm interested in the one that hangs low. Thanks
Johnn Peterson
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Chemainus B.C.
The two, shown in post #33 were made for me by a local guy. The one for my old model Vaquero is a copy of one John Wayne used in a number of his movies. The other for my SS convertable is sort of a copy of a Bianchi Lawman.
- Location
- West Central Alberta
Early Christmas present...
