Why all the 10-22 rifles for sale on the EE?
- Thread starter BMcK
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I love cruising the EE, but have no use what so ever for the lowly 10/22. I haven't noticed any more Ruger stuff there than usual as the EE has always carried an abundance of 10/22 and paraphernalia.
This topic recently popped up, so I may be mistaken about the plethora of 10/22 ads:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1138140-Seems-to-be
This topic recently popped up, so I may be mistaken about the plethora of 10/22 ads:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1138140-Seems-to-be
Yah, with those pesky CZ bolt actions, you burn through 1/10th the ammo and get 3x the gophers... What fun is that? I mean, I want to piss $$ down the drain spraying empty brass all over creation.
Care to explain how changing action type improves your performance??? Right, it doesn't. If you're shooting 1/10 the rounds as with a semi you're not trying hard enough. I used to use a CIL/Anschutz single shot bolt action when I was a kid and could still shoot a 500 round bulk pack a day like my buddy with his Savage 64 semi. Rimfire is cheap no matter how many rounds you shoot.
TDC
Yah, with those pesky CZ bolt actions, you burn through 1/10th the ammo and get 3x the gophers... What fun is that? I mean, I want to piss $$ down the drain spraying empty brass all over creation.
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- Barrie, Ontario
I will add one more thing that I think its sad that the Ruger fan club has picked the 10-22... I think that if more of them had 77/22 there would be no talk of CZ in the rimfire circles, or it would be drastically reduced. American made high quality bolt rimfire. Get what you pay for I suppose.
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Some of us have no interest in sitting at the bench shooting at a known distance on a stationary target to the tune 50-100 rounds total. All while using an overweight, over priced rifle with a less than optimal barrel length.
Action shooting with a bolt action is a non starter if you expect to finish the same day. Follow up shots on gophers and other game is important, and slow with a bolt gun.
Tdc
Lol I only know of one action shooting event involving rimfire rifles (at the very fringes) and that was set more as an experiment to see who'll come out to play. There is a definite potential for action shooting with rimfire rifles. Trying from inside the action shooting community is a tough, uphill battle, dealing with lots of snobism and wisecracks, but some headway is being made. Another avenue of approach is from the outside, but it would still involve a lot of work and involvement from more experienced action shooting RO's. If you build it, they will come, but it will involve lots of elbow grease
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- Barrie, Ontario
To each their own, that is for sure. I will preference all of this by saying the 10-22 is an excellent field gun. Lots of racoons dispatched around here with one. But;
I would rather place the shot correctly, or chose a better caliber for the distance I am shooting. Doesn't matter what action you use to achieve that criteria, but you do need to spend a lot of time at the range "shooting at a known distance at a stationary target" to figure it out. Once that is figured out, follow up is not as important.
Don't quote me on this but I think the 10-22, 452/3 and 77/22 all come with the same standard barrel length, but the 77 and CZ are factory available with up to 24 inch barrel, so not sure what you are getting at.
IMO, I just think that value is what it is. I don't hear too many people talking about how they plan to leave their 10-22 to their kids. Ask someone who owns a model 77 (any caliber) what they plan to do with it. Is it worth the extra 300$? For me sure. But that spread does buy a lot of ammo. It seems a lot of the guys that own them tend to put an extra 3-4-500$ into them anyways.
I can out shoot stock 10-22s all day with my 453 Lux if we both use the same optics. But does 1/2 inch on paper matter? Not really, more than accurate enough for a squirrel. Does the fact that there is never a FTF FTE and that it will shoot anything, subs or shorts matter? Yes, to me that matters a great deal.
happy shooting,
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I have one.(10/22). I bought it new almost 40 years ago. It has not been customized , accurized , zombiefied , tacticooled , or dressed up in any plastic aftermarket crap. It's fine the way it came. I liked it. I bought it . I kept it. This is my first novel. It's a thin book. The end.
They're called difficult or low percentage shots. Some of us like to challenge ourselves and improve our skillset. Controlled pairs or strings are always a challenge, and once they're dead it doesn't matter how many times you shoot them.
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A poor carpenter blames his tools. The 10/22 is more accurate than most who shoot it. Placing the shot is about you not the gear.
As for leaving guns to kids or otherwise, its a moot point as it holds no merit in the discussion. I really don't care what people are leaving behind. I'm sure there are plenty of 10/22's as well, some just don't feel the need to broadcast it like they're passing on some important artifact.
Ammo reliability can be an issue with semi's, however in my experience there are few brands/styles of ammo that the ruger won't eat.
I don't doubt your bolt can outshoot a semi. However this is only relevant if the intended purpose is the same for both guns. I like many with a semi don't shoot for groups nor do we shoot from a bench. I shoot gophers and lots of them. Shots are fast and at varying ranges. At times on moving targets or multiple targets. Pinpoint precision isn't needed, rapid follow up shots are. With regards to this the ruger whips all others by a large margin. In addition to slaying furballs the ruger is a great platform for AR cross training on the cheap, your bolt gun not so much.
As for barrel length. Anything over 16.25" is a waste of time and added weight. Rimfire ammo produces max velocity at 16.25 inches. Longer barrels reduce velocity, add weight and are difficult to swing quickly. I like my barrels short and my rifles light. All day walking the field wears on a guy. Less weight, less fatigue, better shooting.
Tdc
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Nope. I've shot a Marlin 60 with iron sights and a 10/22 with a 4x Browning scope one after the other and the Marlin came out on top. And that was using five different makes of ammunition during the test.
A carpenter can only do so much with a blunt chisel.
I like the 10/22's modability and the aftermarket options, I just hate that they cost ~$150 more than a Marlin 60 for the basic model and do not compare in quality or accuracy. It's like paying a Porsche prices for a Honda Civic.
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Again, depends on what your intended purpose is. I like many have no trouble hitting what I aim at with my ruger. Don't see any reason to use anything else. As you say there is no better supported semi rimfire out there which makes the ruger the go to choice for most. The ruger fills more roles than any other semi rimfire out there, and its also the best selling. I'm sure that's because its SH!t. Your experience is but one anecdotal experience, not definitive information.
$300 for a rifle is peanuts.
Tdc
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Not when you have to spend more money to accurize it. It's not just one anecdotal comment, mate; a number of others in the thread have said that the accuracy on the stock 10/22 is rubbish, and consensus is that the trigger and barrel are crap.
I would be much more well-disposed to the 10/22 if it cost $200. $300+ is ridiculous.
I agree the factory triggers are very inconsistent. The barrels are fine, its pretty well all I run, don't seem to have any issues blasting fur at 100 yards(usually supported
). As I posted before, the big factor many fail to account for is ammo. Match ammo is stupid expensive and difficult to find. Most here shoot whatever is cheap and shoot a fair bit to a metric sh*t ton of it. If extreme accuracy is your goal, then a semi is not the right tool regardless of brand. People need to be realistic with their expectations, and people need to be honest as to their ability. For reference I was just at the range today and witnessed not one shooter exercise any form of trigger control. From pistols to rifles and 3 people with a shotgun, all were slapping the trigger, using far too much finger(first joint) and running out the trigger(removing their finger from the trigger as opposed to working the rest).There's no shortage of those in this thread who dislike the Ruger that's for sure. However, there are also tons of people who say Glocks are inaccurate, Ak's never fail(and are inaccurate) and the AR is prone to failures. Perpetuated urban myth along with poor personal performance and unrealistic expectations are often mistaken for facts..
TDC
My 10-22 get lots of action and it is not for sale on the EE. Not today or tomorrow. I had the great opportunity to take my coworker and his son to the range this week. His son had never shot a gun before and they had a fantastic time. I started off by shooting the center out of a twoonie at 20 yards. After many rounds in my Ruger Mark 3, S&W 622 and Sp01 Shadow we called it a day. They left with smiles on their faces and I was happy to introduce them to the shooting sports. I will always own a 10-22.
