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Hey all,

Recently discovered I have 3 new handguns on the way. Couple 1911's and a P762, thanks to a very generous and epic Dealer on this site :d. Got a couple questions and what not as these will be my very first restricteds.

I've read through the first restricted gun owner/newbie/ATT posts (Even all 70+ pages of that ATT sticky one) and I just want to make sure that this goes a smooth as one could reasonably hope for it to go.


Newbie:confused: ATT Questions:
1) The dealer is going to do their part, do I need to contact the CFO while any of this is happening?? (Alberta resident btw) Or will they initiate contact? or do I even talk to em?
2) They'll be sent to the post office, Im going to need a STATT to get them home right? And for that I should just call day I plan on getting them and get one sent to me? and what info will they need, will I have it all by that time or could they sit for a few days at the post office first?
3) I have a range membership, it expires Dec.31, should I be trying to renew that right away or do you all think it'll matter for getting the guns home? Reason I ask is im out of the province til mid January, and it might be a hassle to get it renewed without being there.
4) Will the above only be a problem when I'm going for my LTATT, cause if so, I'll just hold off a couple weeks before that, when I actually have my new membership.

Newbie transport questions:
5) Once I get the guns home, in order to transport em to the range I need em locked (twice), out of sight, all that (i have the PDF). Should I be ordering locks/lockable cases, or do handguns ship double locked? (also raises the concern of how do I get em home if they dont come double locked)

Newbie handgun accessory questions:
6) Will the 1911's a norc and a dominion arms fit in any 1911 holster, or am I looking a specific one? the P762 is a Sig226 clone??? so will those holsters fit? and any recommendations for holsters that'll work? just looking for cheap now, and depending on how much use they get I'll upgrade later.

Also anyone have an idea of how long itll take what with the holidays and all for CFO to approve transfer and the guns to ship. Cause like I said wont be back in Alberta til mid Jan. and post office only holds for 2 weeks (So I'm told) and I dont want my shiny new acquisitions leaving me.


So there's my million and one questions, hope theyre all ok on this thread.
Anyone and everyones $0.05 would be appreciated.

Happy Holidays!!

and of course, the obligatory photos will be posted on arrival day.
 
The dealer will give you a reference number... phone it in to 1-800-731-4000 (Canadian Firearms Program) they forward to CFO for approval, you get a Notice of Transfer in mail. At this point the dealer can send the gun with tracking, phone same number for an STATT when it shows up at your post office, they can e-mail the STATT same day.
With STATT in hand go pick up your guns, they may have a trigger lock maybe not (they are supposed to have em). Take parcel home and take some pictures to post ASAP.
My LTATT expired and it did hold up the transfer of a restricted until I provided proof of membership, not a big problem but it did slow the process by a few days.
 
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Your guns will not be locked, on arrival. Do not open the package at the post office to find out, leave it sealed until you're home.
They may come with a cable lock in the box, but again, not installed.

You are correct on the statt.

Congrats on the new Rpal, play safe and Merry Christmas.
 
calvin5673 said:
Newbie:confused: ATT Questions:

2) They'll be sent to the post office, Im going to need a STATT to get them home right? And for that I should just call day I plan on getting them and get one sent to me? and what info will they need, will I have it all by that time or could they sit for a few days at the post office first?
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Nope. You don't know what's in that package untill you open it. A STATT should not be necessary.

calvin5673 said:
3) I have a range membership, it expires Dec.31, should I be trying to renew that right away or do you all think it'll matter for getting the guns home? Reason I ask is im out of the province til mid January, and it might be a hassle to get it renewed without being there.
4) Will the above only be a problem when I'm going for my LTATT, cause if so, I'll just hold off a couple weeks before that, when I actually have my new membership.
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To get your guns home it won't be a problem. To get a LTATT, you probably do need a membership [shouldn't but oh well...]. If it looks like a problem to apply/renew, you may as well wait.

calvin5673 said:
Newbie transport questions:
5) Once I get the guns home, in order to transport em to the range I need em locked (twice), out of sight, all that (i have the PDF). Should I be ordering locks/lockable cases, or do handguns ship double locked? (also raises the concern of how do I get em home if they don't come double locked)
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Again, getting them home shouldn't be a problem. The guns probably won't be shipped with a lock or in a locking case, so get yourself a nice Xmas gift. I recommend all combination locks...nothing is worse than getting to the range only to discover you left your keys at home.

calvin5673 said:
Newbie handgun accessory questions:
6) Will the 1911's a norc and a dominion arms fit in any 1911 holster, or am I looking a specific one? the P762 is a Sig226 clone??? so will those holsters fit? and any recommendations for holsters that'll work? just looking for cheap now, and depending on how much use they get I'll upgrade later.
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The 1911s will fit any holster for the 1911. I'm not sure if the top end of the P762 is an exact match for the P226. I'd hold off on that one until I had it in hand. Maybe some other P762 owners can give you an answer.

calvin5673 said:
Also anyone have an idea of how long itll take what with the holidays and all for CFO to approve transfer and the guns to ship. Cause like I said wont be back in Alberta til mid Jan. and post office only holds for 2 weeks (So I'm told) and I dont want my shiny new acquisitions leaving me.
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Timing for all this is probably a crapshoot, what with the holidays and all. If you explain your situation to the folks at your post office, you should be able to get them to hold your parcels/mail for longer than two weeks. Don't tell them what's likely in the parcels. ;)
 
Just do what Skinny1950 said . I'm in Alberta as well and they move pretty quickly so you should have your guns in hand in under two weeks . When you phone the CFO with the reference number the minion there might ask you the same two questions they always ask me , namely 1) what range are you a member of and 2) why are you purchasing these guns . The answer to the second question is either that you are a collector and have that licence designation , or for target shooting . Those are the only acceptable answers as far as the CFO is concerned .
Once the guns arrive , go have fun !
 
Tengoo said:
Nope. You don't know what's in that package untill you open it. A STATT should not be necessary.
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Care to post up the law that exempts you from the transport regs while transporting mail?

You wont, because its BS you made up. IF you dont know what the law is dont tell others what it is.

Shawn
 
shawn said:
Care to post up the law that exempts you from the transport regs while transporting mail?

You wont, because its BS you made up. IF you dont know what the law is dont tell others what it is.

Shawn
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This.

The guns could get shipped to your door, and left on the doorstep for you to get home. In that instance, its just mail, no ATT required.

But to go to the post office and pick it up you most certainly DO need one. Claiming ignorance of the package contents to a cop is just going to get your guns taken away and you in trouble.


Also, the P762 has a different grip than a real SIG(7.62x25 is quite long), not sure if that would have any effect on holster or not, but CanAm said it can't take grips.
 
i'm new owner too
my advice
apply for LTATT asap, i had mine before i even owned a pistol
the RCMP i called and asked said its easiest to apply as soon as you have your rpal
when they arrive at post office call and get your STATT to get them home legally
mine showed up at post office , i called and had the STATT faxed over and picked up pistol after work
no hassle about the "its not restricted until you open the package"
wait until your registration actually shows up before you take it out
law says it can be seized and held until you produce the actual registration copy
 
MikeyD895 said:
i'm new owner too
my advice
apply for LTATT asap, i had mine before i even owned a pistol
the RCMP i called and asked said its easiest to apply as soon as you have your rpal
when they arrive at post office call and get your STATT to get them home legally
mine showed up at post office , i called and had the STATT faxed over and picked up pistol after work
no hassle about the "its not restricted until you open the package"
wait until your registration actually shows up before you take it out
law says it can be seized and held until you produce the actual registration copy
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Or do it all the same day.

I received my rpal a Friday, did the range course, got range membership, bought a gun and E-mailed the ltatt paper on Saturday.
 
shawn said:
Care to post up the law that exempts you from the transport regs while transporting mail?

You wont, because its BS you made up. IF you dont know what the law is dont tell others what it is.

Shawn
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So I go to the Post Office to pick up my mail, and there's a parcel there for me. Because I _think_ I know what it is, I give it back to the Post Office and go home and request a STATT? Is that what everybody does? The OP is expecting 3 pistols. Does he request a STATT for all three at once? How does he know which pistol he has, assuming the don't all arrive on the same day. I'm pretty sure he shouldn't open the parcel at the Post Office to see what's he's got. Is the Post Office required to hold it, even knowing it's a [eeek!] handgun?

Okay, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Apparently the STATT rules are even more senseless and convoluted than I thought. I apologize to you all.

To the OP: Let this be a lesson to you. Asking for info regarding ATTs and etc. on any online forum opens you to the danger that a well-meaning idiot will steer you wrong. For information like this you should _always_ consult with the CFO's office.
 
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Tengoo said:
So I go to the Post Office to pick up my mail, and there's a parcel there for me. Because I _think_ I know what it is, I give it back to the Post Office and go home and request a STATT?
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First off you know what it is, the package has:

1) A return address
2) Tracking number
3) Requires a signature

Claiming ignorance is not legal defense.

To answer the question, yes if you did not have an ATT to get it home you would have to leave it.

Tengoo said:
Is that what everybody does?
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What everyone else does is irrelevant, what it relevant is what is legal. If you, knowing what is and is not legal, decide to do it contrary to the law that is your prerogative.

Tengoo said:
The OP is expecting 3 pistols. Does he request a STATT for all three at once?
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He can, the CFOs are getting more reasonable on the ATT from the post office time and date wise.

Tengoo said:
How does he know which pistol he has, assuming the don't all arrive on the same day.
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Again the address and tracking info

Tengoo said:
I'm pretty sure he shouldn't open the parcel at the Post Office to see what's he's got.
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You are correct and that is the real issue here as there is no way to comply 100% with the law

Tengoo said:
Is the Post Office required to hold it, even knowing it's a [eeek!] handgun?
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How does the post office know what it is?

Shawn
 
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shawn said:
First off you know what it is, the package has:

Wrong.

1) A return address

So what? Last few restricted firearms I bought, I had no idea of the senders address. He initiated the transfer, I just call to complete it. I don't know his address.

2) Tracking number

Sure you might get a tracking number if the guy bothers to send you one. I only deal with people that have good feedback on here that I can trust, so I don't care if I get one or not. Also, this time of year I have many packages coming in for Christmas, how can I know which one is which.

3) Requires a signature

Just like pretty much anything that gets shipped now days.

Shawn
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Just pointing out the flaws in your logic, I guess more along the flaws of the ATT system.
 
Pure Energy said:
Just pointing out the flaws in your logic, I guess more along the flaws of the ATT system.
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Just pointing out the flaws in your logic:

1) If you dont know the name of the person/business (Which is in the address BTW) That is your fault not mine
2) Again if you dont know or seek out this information it is your fault not mine, as you know you bought a restricted firearm and it requires an ATT
3) So?

You know that you bought a restricted firearm, you know that you require an ATT to transport it. If you decid to play ignorant as to where that firearm is and you think a judge would not laugh you out of court for the "but, but its just a package" BS that is up to you. But that dose not make it the law.

Shawn
 
shawn said:
Just pointing out the flaws in your logic:

1) If you dont know the name of the person/business (Which is in the address BTW) That is your fault not mine

You do not need to write your name on the return address of a package. So again you are wrong. The last pistol I got in the mail had no name on it. Simply an address and as I said before "So what? Last few restricted firearms I bought, I had no idea of the senders address. He initiated the transfer, I just call to complete it. I don't know his address."

2) Again if you dont know or seek out this information it is your fault not mine, as you know you bought a restricted firearm and it requires an ATT

Also, again, it is just a package. When you buy multiple things at once, who knows what you are getting or when.

3) So?

That's it? So? You mentioned it, not me.

You know that you bought a restricted firearm, you know that you require an ATT to transport it. If you decid to play ignorant as to where that firearm is and you think a judge would not laugh you out of court for the "but, but its just a package" BS that is up to you. But that dose not make it the law.

Sure I know I bought a restricted firearm. I know I need at ATT to transport it. When I pick up a box from the post office when I have multiple items coming in I don't what is inside one box or the other. Honestly I don't know, if I pick up a package from the post office can a police officer open it?


Shawn
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I know what the law is, but it is so gray that you need a lawyer for the simplest things. Like picking up a box from the post office.
 
So we are saying that being Christmas time and my family ordering EVERYTHING from Cabelas that I am supposed to know which of the 40 (yes 40) Cabelas packages has my new GSG in it?
The only way you would get caught is if the LEOs have xray vision because even they need a warrant to open mail so if it isn't open how is ANYONE to know.
 
greywolf67nt said:
So we are saying that being Christmas time and my family ordering EVERYTHING from Cabelas that I am supposed to know which of the 40 (yes 40) Cabelas packages has my new GSG in it?
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Yes

Its not rocket surgery, it will be the one that matches the tracking number Cabelas gave for the order that contained the GSG.

Hmmm I ordered a GSG from Cabelas tracking number 123

At post office: Wow Canada post wants me to sign for a package from Cabelas with tracking number 123. Sweet it is a complete mystery there is no possible way in the world for me to know what is in this package with tracking number 123 from Cabelas.

greywolf67nt said:
The only way you would get caught is if the LEOs have xray vision because even they need a warrant to open mail so if it isn't open how is ANYONE to know.
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Oh I dont know maybe at some time in the future we may not a government that is not so apathetic towards guns. You know that these offenses are hybrid offense and as such have no statute of limitations right? How hard would it be for the CFC to see grey ordered a GCG from cabelas lets see if he applied for an ATT, nope. Oh noes. While this is a little out there it is possible.

Sorry dude but the likelihood of getting caught does not change the legality of it.

Not to mention that if would be far easier for the police to find out than you suggest. Ever see a car accident? How about know someone who was in one? Now what do you think happens when the police roll up to the accident and your brand new CSG is laying in the middle of the hwy? Don't you think they just might look into it?

Now the question start:

Cop: do you have an ATT for that?
You: nope, I was getting 40, yes 40 packages from cabels it was literally impossible for me to know
Cop: did they give you a tracking number
you: yes, but I got literally 40, yes 40 packages from cabels it was literally impossible for me to know
Cop: did you sign for package 123 from cableas that they told you was the tracking number for the gun you ordered
you: yes, but I got literally 40, yes 40 packages from cabels it was literally impossible for me to know
Cop: cool you under arrest

Sounds like a great defense now doesn't it LOL

If you choose to break the law that is fine and completely up to you, just stop trying to convince new people it is legal and the correct way to do it.

Shawn
 
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