30-06 200/220Gr Loads**EDIT**

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Im looking for some info on 30-06 200gr loads. What are the velocities you guys getting with a 200gr gr bullet from a 20inch, 22 inch, 24 inch barrel?

I was looking at the Ruger M77's in 30-06, and was thinking maybe a 200gr bullet @ 2600-2700fts? Am I asking too much out of the 30-06?

Several 8x57's of mine with a 195-200gr bullet obtained 2500-2650fts with no problems so I assuming that the 06 having more powder capacity could do the same.

Also whats the average velocity for a moderate/warm load for the 30-06

Or since I already have pretty much a ballistic twin of the 06 should I look at something bigger 300wsm,300win mag, or the 325wsm?


**Edit. What about the 220gr bullets? What velocity and accuracy can you get with those? Most data for the 220 seems to be loaded down?**
Let me know

Thanks.
 
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2700fps with a 200gr bullet might be achievable in a 22" barrel.
For this purpose I acquired 1 lb of RL-25 but I'm still looking for bullets.
I usually get 2770fps in my 30-06 rifle with 180gr bullet on top of 56gr of H4350
 
2,763 fps with a 200 gr Sierra Game King in front of 56.0 gr RL22 out of a Tikka T3. This is a stout load.
 
I have had very good luck following the recommendations from John Barsness (Handloader and Rifle magazines). Looked up his "Handloads that Work" on the 'net. Here is his take on loads for 30-06. (You might know that he lives close to Western Powders in Montana - several of his articles refer to using their pressure testing lab for his hand loads.):


".30-06: I used to use around 58 grains of IMR-4350 and a 165-grain bullet to test ’06s, but H-4350 does just as well. Muzzle velocity will be close to 2,900 fps. With 180s around 59.0 grains of RL-19 provides a good combination of accuracy, with velocity pushing 2,800 fps in a 24-inch barrel. For decades I used the 200-grain Nosler Partition and 59.0 grains of H-4831 as my heavy-game load in the ’06, for 2,600+ in 22-inch barrels. If you like heavy bullets, this load shoots a lot flatter than you’d imagine."
 
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I was running 200 gr Partitions around the 2500 mark and had no problems out of a 22" Mauser 98, brass lasted well and ES was low. I was using 4350 but it's been awhile and I'd have to look up the charge to be certain, but I know it was compressed and right around book maximum...
 
2,763 fps with a 200 gr Sierra Game King in front of 56.0 gr RL22 out of a Tikka T3. This is a stout load.

I tried this very load in my SSDM. It does have a long throat, but it barely made 2600 in my rifle. [24"]
It took 58 grains to reach 2700 for me, and still no pressure signs at all.

Regards, Dave.
 
In my old Husqvarna 30-06 with 24 inch barrel, I clocked a hair over 2700, as shown on an Oehler, with 200 grain Nosler partition. No sign whatsoever, of excess pressure.
It took 60.5 grains of Norma 205 to do it, which is just half a grain more than shown in an old Norma loading chart I have.
Bruce
 
Sounds like a formula for moose. The next notch up would be a short mag with the 200gr part. I have the SAUM 300, its just a bit faster.
Either will be just fine for the big guys.
Enjoy.
 
any good loads for the 220 gr loads? How easy is it to find these bullet weights at gun shops? More rare?

I don't see much point in a 220 in the30-06. I can never get high enough velocity to make them attractive. A good bullet, like Nosler partition, in 180 is probably a better killer for north American game and a good 200 grain at 2700 is probably king of the hill, as good as it gets with a 30-06.
I have shot a few moose and some mule deer with 220 and was disappointed in the relatively poor penetration.
 
The original loading for the 30-06 used 220grain round nose bullets. That's why the 1-10 twist rate came about.

200 grain bullets are still readily available. 220 grain Hornady Round Nose show up in part boxes at gun shows.

I agree that 2700 fps is attainable with 200 grain bullets. The loads given above are well tested by others as well as those suggesting them.

As was mentioned, this is a very stout load. Not unsafe just punishing to the shooter.

The bullets of that weight were necessary because of their construction and of course the relatively slow speeds.

Todays bullets are so good and so well constructed that such heavy bullets are not necessary for even the biggest game available here.

That said, it was a toss up this fall what I was going to take on an Elk hunt. Either a CZ 30-06 with 200 grn Speer Spire Point flat base bullets or a M70 chambered in 338-06 with 225 grain bullets. Both deliver almost identical velocities and trajectories so either would have been more than adequate. The deciding factor was recoil. The M70 wasn't nearly as punishing.

At one time I had several rifles of various makers chambered in 30-06. The only one that didn't do well with the 200grain bullets was a custom rifle with a 1-12 twist rate. It should have been fine but accuracy dropped off with bullets heavier than 165 grains.

The rest, except for a match rifle I put together with a 1-15 twist rate for off hand shooting all had 1-10 twist rates.

Unless it is unusual for some mechanical reason 30-06 chambered rifles really like heavy bullets.


The two rifles I have now as far as hunting rifles are concerned is a BSA with a 22in bbl and a CZ ZKK600 with a 26in bbl. Both are extremely accurate with heavy bullets. That being said they both will shoot bullets as light as 125gr into moa at 100yds if I do my part.

The reason I kept both of these rifles is because they will shoot the same loads in the same manner consistently. Their chambers and throats cast out within a few thousandths of an inch of each other. Very similar basic actions as well although the triggers are completely different.

The starting load I used for both of them was 57 gr of IMR4350, CCI 250 primers, 200gr Speer SP and worked up a grain at a time until I found the sweet spot. I went up to 60grs. 60 grains started to show some pressure signs so I backed off to 58 grains. Both rifles shoot that load into 1moa or less.

I ran out of that lot of IMR4350 so in a pinch, I went to H4831. It proved to be every bit as consistent as the previous powder but needed 59gr of powder over CCI250 primers. It is also a very accurate load.

I never went back to IMR4350 for the simple reason I likely have more of it on hand, all from the same lot, than I will use over the rest of my life.

The 30-06 has become a very under appreciated rifle these day what with all of the super velocity (maybe) new kill em with the first round creations.

IMHO, cartridges like the 30-06, 303Brit, 8x57 and 7x57 mauser and others like the 257 Roberts and 6.5x55 chambered in modern strong receivers will do just as well for the game they are designed for. Mind you if the manufacturers of ammo and firearms had to stick to those mainstays it is very likely they would experience very lack luster sales.

Those old girls just keep on performing every bit as well and now, with modern rifles and components better than ever. Sometimes better than the new creations.

I know I keep going back to them on a regular basis and my go to rifles, other than the 338-06 are chambered for one of those venerable cartridges that just continue to keep proving themselves over and over again. Nothing is ###ier in a firearm than one that does what it should every time all of the time.
 
Have a Model 98 I built with a McGowan 26" barrel
Used military boxer cases from Lake city match ammo
55.GRAINS of IMR4350 AND HORNADY 220 ROUND NOSE
SHOWED 2550 FPS
shot about 2" 5 shot group at 100 yards
Very stiff on shoulder. This would make a great moose/elk
Or brown bear load
 
Have a Model 98 I built with a McGowan 26" barrel
Used military boxer cases from Lake city match ammo
55.GRAINS of IMR4350 AND HORNADY 220 ROUND NOSE
SHOWED 2550 FPS
shot about 2" 5 shot group at 100 yards
Very stiff on shoulder. This would make a great moose/elk
Or brown bear load

Have you tried it on the Highlands moose yet?
 
I don't see much point in a 220 in the30-06. I can never get high enough velocity to make them attractive. A good bullet, like Nosler partition, in 180 is probably a better killer for north American game and a good 200 grain at 2700 is probably king of the hill, as good as it gets with a 30-06.
I have shot a few moose and some mule deer with 220 and was disappointed in the relatively poor penetration.

I agree. I've never used 220s in the .30-06, either. On the other hand, I use 175-grain RNs in my military 7x57 (a scaled-down equivalent load, comparing 7mm to .30 cal), and I can see a great deal of merit in it. I can see the sense behind the ballistic thinking in the 1890s.

However, with a modern .30-06, I personally don't see the need for anything heavier than a 168-grain Tripleshock, pushed fast to around 2,900 fps, if possible. To refer to one of the above posts, Mr. Barsness tested the predecessor of the 168 TSX against all of the best .30-06 penetration loads in his arsenal (including the 200 Partition), and he found that it gave better penetration, flatter trajectory, and overall better performance on game. That's why it is probably the best overall choice for all big game hunting with the .30-06 today, at all reasonable ranges.

If you want to stay old-school, then a 180 or 200 Partition pushed by heavy charges of slow powders in the H4831/Reloder 22 ballpark will work like a charm, but with more recoil and blast and a (marginally) less flat trajectory.
 
All of this talk of 200gr projies in the Aught-Six startin to give my Whelen a complex.. but I keep sayin that It is the Big brother for a reason.

Good thread, good to read things away from the norm.

WL
 
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