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After a thread was started in Canada Ammo's section of the forum regarding getting Norinco to build copies of the original non restricted versions of the mythical non restricted AR10 I started doing a lot of research looking for drawings and information regarding them.

For the record there were only ever 3 non restricted AR10's in Canada. There were only 4 of these semi auto only AR10's ever made under license by Artilerie Inrichengen of Holland for KLM airlines around 1959. 3 of them were imported into Canada by Alan Lever of Lever Arms way way back. These three were then put up for sale at a price of $5000 each. After lots of searching it seems these three Non Restricted AR10's left the country.

After lots of searching for an FRT report regarding the Artilerie Inrichengen made AR10's the only thing I can find is an FRT report showing these AR10's as being classed restricted leading me to believe that after the only 3 in the country left the classification was changed.

Here is a web page from holland documenting the Dutch made AR10's

http://www.ar10.nl

And some interesting info about Eugen Stoner

http://www.answers.com/topic/eugene-stoner



In a nutshell sucks to be us.
 
This has been a holy grail for me as well, but short of becoming a US citizen, it's not likely to happen.
 
mildcustom2 said:
After lots of searching for an FRT report regarding the Artilerie Inrichengen made AR10's the only thing I can find is an FRT report showing these AR10's as being classed restricted leading me to believe that after the only 3 in the country left the classification was changed.
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I thought that the non-restricted classification was derived from a court ruling that a gun cannot be a variant of a thing that it is predecessor to? If so there would be no way the bureaucracy could change that ruling.

I have never believed in the factory semi-auto AR-10 story, but the fact is that there are hundreds of semi-autos in the USA that are built of original parts on reproduction, semi-auto receivers, and any and all of those should be importable into Canada as non-restricted rifles.
 
One of these rifles did exist in the lower mainland, it was spotted at a local range about 5 years ago. The non-restricted reg paper was with it as well. I did not have the opportunity to write the numbers down to look it up in the FRT.

I can tell you that I have looked on the FRT at every single semi-auto listed as "non-restricted" and that rifle did not appear.

There was an MG42 with pictures, pretty cool!
 
One certainty is that there were always very few factory semi-auto Dutch AR10's, regardless of where they are now. In the States we have assembled Dutch AR10 machine gun parts sets with US-made semi-auto lower receivers and the ATF is perfectly satisfied that these guns are semi-auto.

Would one of these AR10's possibly be nonrestricted in Canada? For example, Telko made a receiver that was marked XM-10 and Speciaty Arms made a similar lower receiver that had no model designation. These receivers are semi-auto because there is no sear hole and the area where the sear would normally reside is unmilled.
 
Ebola said:
How did you find out these rifles left Canada?
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With a lot of work gathering info and sharing information. Info I am not allowed to post.

enefgee said:
The 4th non-restricted AR 10 was ruled to be so by a judge at a hearing, it may - or may not have been correct but the RCMP were instructed to issue a NR slip on that one firearm.
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There never was a fourth in the country. Only three.

BattleRife said:
I thought that the non-restricted classification was derived from a court ruling that a gun cannot be a variant of a thing that it is predecessor to? If so there would be no way the bureaucracy could change that ruling.

I have never believed in the factory semi-auto AR-10 story, but the fact is that there are hundreds of semi-autos in the USA that are built of original parts on reproduction, semi-auto receivers, and any and all of those should be importable into Canada as non-restricted rifles.
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Negative. Only the original three manufactured under license by Artillerie Inrichengen were non restricted at the time anything else would be restricted.

HHollow said:
One certainty is that there were always very few factory semi-auto Dutch AR10's, regardless of where they are now. In the States we have assembled Dutch AR10 machine gun parts sets with US-made semi-auto lower receivers and the ATF is perfectly satisfied that these guns are semi-auto.

Would one of these AR10's possibly be nonrestricted in Canada? For example, Telko made a receiver that was marked XM-10 and Speciaty Arms made a similar lower receiver that had no model designation. These receivers are semi-auto because there is no sear hole and the area where the sear would normally reside is unmilled.
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No, new manufacture receiver. The dream is gone.
 
fireball said:
One of these rifles did exist in the lower mainland, it was spotted at a local range about 5 years ago. The non-restricted reg paper was with it as well. I did not have the opportunity to write the numbers down to look it up in the FRT.

I can tell you that I have looked on the FRT at every single semi-auto listed as "non-restricted" and that rifle did not appear.

There was an MG42 with pictures, pretty cool!
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I've seen at least one of these in Calgary, complete with bayonet.

Wolf
 
HHollow said:
mildcustom2: IS the problem that the replacement semi-auto AR10 receivers are new? or just not original.
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It would be just like someone creating new Valmet receivers. Unless they had the rights to the OEM name and bought the entire bit the lab would see it as a different manufacture name and different gun.


driller212 said:
Well I mean you could just get the next best thing: the modern hunter. I know I know it's not the same, but still pretty awesome.
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Keep the unclassified Modern Hunter garbage out of my thread.


Wolfbane said:
I've seen at least one of these in Calgary, complete with bayonet.

Wolf
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Sure ya did. The only non restricted ones were the 3 Artilerie Inrichingen ones. Any others bearing the name from any other manufacture would be restricted including any bearing the Armalite name.
 
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fireball said:
One of these rifles did exist in the lower mainland, it was spotted at a local range about 5 years ago. The non-restricted reg paper was with it as well. I did not have the opportunity to write the numbers down to look it up in the FRT.

I can tell you that I have looked on the FRT at every single semi-auto listed as "non-restricted" and that rifle did not appear.

There was an MG42 with pictures, pretty cool!
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I suspect that there are more of these rifles in Canada than people think.

Like you, I also tend to believe my own lying eyes.

Wolf
 
mildcustom2 said:
It would be just like someone creating new Valmet receivers. Unless they had the rights to the OEM name and bought the entire bit the lab would see it as a different manufacture name and different gun.




Keep the unclassified Modern Hunter garbage out of my thread.




Sure ya did. The only non restricted ones were the 3 Artilerie Inrichingen ones. Any others bearing the name from any other manufacture would be restricted including any bearing the Armalite name.
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Not even close to being the same thing, the Valmet is a variant exception to a named prohib design. This is not the case with the AR10.

I would assume that most AR10s in Canada are the prohib C/A type because of the laws at the time. The U.S. never allowed converted autos so they had to manufacture new semi-only receivers to make them legal. A few of these may have made their way north of the border and indeed would be Non-restricted. I can't provide any info regarding the FRT. That system would appear to be overly complicated, going so far as to list every barrel combo known to have been manufactured at some time.

What if I rebarrel my rifle/shotgun? Did I just change it to a different FRT? What if a number has never been issued for the combo that I cobbled together but is legal under the firearms act?

The semi AR10 were made by a handful of manufacturers in the US at the time and who knows how they may have been registered? Is it an AR-10 made by AI, or XM-10 by Helko, or maybe a Sendra semi automatic rifle? You can't say emphatically that an FRT doesn't exist when you don't know what you're looking for. It would appear that if an FRT exists then it isn't listed as an Armalite AR-10 made by AI.
 
mildcustom2 said:
Well dream on........they don't exist anymore.

After a thread was started in Canada Ammo's section of the forum regarding getting Norinco to build copies of the original non restricted versions of the mythical non restricted AR10 I started doing a lot of research looking for drawings and information regarding them.

For the record there were only ever 3 non restricted AR10's in Canada. There were only 4 of these semi auto only AR10's ever made under license by Artilerie Inrichengen of Holland for KLM airlines around 1959. 3 of them were imported into Canada by Alan Lever of Lever Arms way way back. These three were then put up for sale at a price of $5000 each. After lots of searching it seems these three Non Restricted AR10's left the country.

After lots of searching for an FRT report regarding the Artilerie Inrichengen made AR10's the only thing I can find is an FRT report showing these AR10's as being classed restricted leading me to believe that after the only 3 in the country left the classification was changed.

Here is a web page from holland documenting the Dutch made AR10's

http://www.ar10.nl

And some interesting info about Eugen Stoner

http://www.answers.com/topic/eugene-stoner



In a nutshell sucks to be us.
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Actually there is till one in Calgary that is non restricted that belonged to a friend of mine . I know the current owner and yes it still resides in Calgary .As for the FRT information it is like getting tracking information from Canada Post not the most accurate and at some point in time it gets amended
 
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