czechsanchez
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considering 10/22 blueprints are fully available, would it still be prohib to build a 10/22 bullpup in china from the ground up rather than it being a conversion??
FN PS90 or similar...
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considering 10/22 blueprints are fully available, would it still be prohib to build a 10/22 bullpup in china from the ground up rather than it being a conversion??
Corps
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considering 10/22 blueprints are fully available, would it still be prohib to build a 10/22 bullpup in china from the ground up rather than it being a conversion??
The stock has to be essential for the design to function, IE, it has have been a bullpup from the start. Just dropping a Norinco branded receiver in a bullpup stock will not satisfy the RCMP/ be in accordance with the law.
drumstyx
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I'm sure the receiver or parts of it can be made integral to the stock, thus making the stock integral to the receiver.
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drumstyx
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This, along with sluggish restricted transfers, is an abuse of process. Why is there nothing in place to challenge this arbitrary BS which is obviously being done to for the anti-gun agenda.
What are you going to do about it?
Am I the only one wondering why go through all the trouble of designing the ground up a 10/22 model instead of just altering the P90 design that is already a bullpup?
I suspect it is because most of you think production costs would stay low by using the 10/22 barrels. It won't really because all the money you save there you will spend machining the modifications to the 10/22 receivers.
.22lr Rifles are on a boom. There are Scar an M4 models of it everywhere, G36 clones too! Glock and 1911 slide kits. The market would be big enough Canada side for the P90 if it works. Though if this was sourced elsewhere so that the American market would be open to these THEN you would see price per unit go down because the market would be huge for these. Not that I don't like Norinco, but for what this is, to get price down you got to do volume; the States gives you huge volume.
I suspect it is because most of you think production costs would stay low by using the 10/22 barrels. It won't really because all the money you save there you will spend machining the modifications to the 10/22 receivers.
.22lr Rifles are on a boom. There are Scar an M4 models of it everywhere, G36 clones too! Glock and 1911 slide kits. The market would be big enough Canada side for the P90 if it works. Though if this was sourced elsewhere so that the American market would be open to these THEN you would see price per unit go down because the market would be huge for these. Not that I don't like Norinco, but for what this is, to get price down you got to do volume; the States gives you huge volume.
Corps
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I'm with you on this. It would also prevent any attempt by the RCMP to pull the variant card.
hbean
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To reverse engineer PS90 and get a production line going is not cheap. Next having to wait a year or two for the RCMP to classify it, is just a poor business decision for anyone and finally let us assume it does happens, it will have sell way better than hotcakes before they can recoup their cost and start making a profit especially at the price points Canadian Firearm owners is willing to pay for a Norinco product.
So if you really want it, come up with the design drawings and purchase order for 10,000 units. I am pretty sure Canada Ammo will get you in touch right people
So if you really want it, come up with the design drawings and purchase order for 10,000 units. I am pretty sure Canada Ammo will get you in touch right people
ALL of which you will have to do with building a 10/22 mod from the ground up. Look if you just drop a 10/22 into a p90 like stock it will be classed a prohib. To avoid that you have to provide a design and sample for testing to the RCMP to get this thing classified as a NEW model of firearm. So how is it any different for time and money seeing as both start the process of modifying one firearm to have the capabilities wished for?
Go with the base p90 as the start and then it is simply a rechambered to .22wmr with modifications to the feeding system. If you go 10/22 the mags will be fed into the bottom of the stock making it more likely to receive the prohib on being a stock that any 10/22 "could" drop into. Going the p90 route mags will be expensive because there would likely need new mags designed to permit the 50 round count people are after.
No matter which way you look at this it is TIME and money. But the p90 route with a non Red Rifle manufacture opens up the sale of it State side as well. That's really the only viable option for the thing to exist. The market in Canada is just not big enough to run risk of a 10/22 mod that may very likely just get canned at the RCMP lab.
sixty9santa
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How about a short barreled T97 in .22lr?
The factory already has the drawings and they could engineer a pea shooter version.
The factory already has the drawings and they could engineer a pea shooter version.
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This would be cool
hbean
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PS90 is designed to run on the chamber pressure of the 5.7X28 round witch is about 50,000 psi, the 22 WMR has a pressure rating of 24,000 psi, so a simple modification of chamber and feed system is not going to work. rumors of 22 WMR conversion kit have been floating around since the '90's but no one have been able to make it work with such low pressure.
For future reference it is illegal in Canada to export firearm and firearm technology to China, US's ITAR regulation also made every Canada firearm business sign an end user statement regards to resales of arms to a third country, which is the most important first step in the reverse engineering process.
US firearm importation ban covers all non-sporting rifles not just red rifles, US market is not a option at all.
If if really want PS90 in 22, you are better off talking to to Walther or GSG of Germany than Norinco.
For future reference it is illegal in Canada to export firearm and firearm technology to China, US's ITAR regulation also made every Canada firearm business sign an end user statement regards to resales of arms to a third country, which is the most important first step in the reverse engineering process.
US firearm importation ban covers all non-sporting rifles not just red rifles, US market is not a option at all.
If if really want PS90 in 22, you are better off talking to to Walther or GSG of Germany than Norinco.
PECHENEG
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May be we may write to all major .22 cal manufacturers??? I bet if we send the text to shooting clubs etc. we'll get easily 5-10 K signatures. this will be the mutual profit-the interested company we'll get targeted market investigation, literally, for free and we'll get our bulpup in 3 years (I hope).
What do you think guys?
What do you think guys?
PECHENEG
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Had a chance to see and hold airsoft P90 stock....
Well, definitely, not for the firearm, even for such a low caliber.
Cheap plastic, back wall of the stock creates a feeling that it will fly away with the first shot.
So, it should be a real bullpup from the manufacturer with the incapability to take away from the stock and still fire = barrel and action should disassemble in a way they will still require a stock to fire...
Ruger came back stating that they do not have current plans, but will direct my request to the respective department, to see what market size bullpup ruger 10/22 might have!
Let's hope
Well, definitely, not for the firearm, even for such a low caliber.
Cheap plastic, back wall of the stock creates a feeling that it will fly away with the first shot.
So, it should be a real bullpup from the manufacturer with the incapability to take away from the stock and still fire = barrel and action should disassemble in a way they will still require a stock to fire...
Ruger came back stating that they do not have current plans, but will direct my request to the respective department, to see what market size bullpup ruger 10/22 might have!
Let's hope
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