9mm 10 round mags US to Canada across boarder legal?

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My friend in the US can get some 10-round 9mm mags for next to dirt cheap compared to up north.
Is it legal for him to carry them across the boarder (claimed of course) or ship courier up here? These are 10 rounders for a restricted, not a prohib. Thanks
 
If your friend has the proper paperwork, yes. If he doesn't, he's breaking US ITAR regulations. If you want to go the legal route, check out Brownell's or IRG.

Must be a shortage of mags over here as there have been a spike in those asking the exact same question.

State what mags you are looking for and maybe we can find them in stock here.
 
I've gotten good deals in the past ordering from Brownell's. They have a filter on the site that shows you what can be shipped to Canada. I saved about 40% over Canadian pricing on Mec Gar mags for a Browning Hi Power.
 
It can be done in person because I know people who have done it, and if you're buying in small personal quantities the US government is not likely to intervene, especially in the case of 10 round magazines even if they do consider it illegal- not something I'm convinced about in the first place. I prefer to support my local LGSs however.
 
Hell when i bought my 1911 chip Mccormick power + mags from brownells I saved about $13 a mag compared to up here... sure shows you how vendors bend you over in canada. Anyways find somthing on brownells, irg ect... save yourself the hassle and the green.

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With the proper paperwork completed, you can do it. Do not take chance for you will regret every bit of your effort. ITAR prohibits export of regulated goods like firearms, parts, ammunition, optics. You can buy holsters, belts, pouches without any problem. As mentioned from previous post, you can bring it here with proper taxes paid. But when you get stopped and caught by US LEO, you will have a lot of explaining to do plus the possibility of jail time and maybe banned from re-entering US. If you need to purchase a significant amount of regulated goods, them it might be worth exploring a permit. But for personal use, check with dealers that exports to Canada like Brownells, Numrich etc. Stay safe and stay legal!
 
Under a certain dollar value and ITAR does not apply to the item. I'll double check what that dollar value is.
 
Unless your "friend" is a licensed exporter of ITAR regulated parts, he would be breaking US federal laws. Claiming them on the Canadian side does not exonerate him.
 
Wow, the misinformation in some posts can get a guy arrested for a Federal crime in the US.

"I've seen it done..."
"I know someone..."
"A friend of mine..."
"Under X dollars is fine..."

Let's see how those excuses hold up when you are sitting in a cell at the border if/when you get caught. Gun parts are ITAR controlled, period. Dollar value means nothing. It could be a 50 cent detent spring, it's still ITAR controlled.
 
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123.17 Exports of firearms, ammunition, and personal protective gear.
(a) Except as provided in § 126.1 of this subchapter, Port Directors of U.S. Customs and Border Protection shall permit the export without a license of components and parts for Category I(a) firearms, except barrels, cylinders, receivers (frames) or complete breech mechanisms when the total value does not exceed $500 wholesale in any transaction.

123.17(e) Port Directors of U.S. Customs and Border Protection shall permit U.S. persons to export without a license ammunition for nonautomatic firearms referred to in paragraph (a) of this section if the quantity does not exceed 1,000 cartridges (or rounds) in any shipment. The ammunition must also be for personal use and not for resale or other transfer of ownership. The foregoing exemption is also not applicable to the personnel referred to in § 123.18.

That is quoted directly from the ITAR where I was directed by someone in the know. So FYI.
 
Punisher-One said:
123.17 Exports of firearms, ammunition, and personal protective gear.
(a) Except as provided in § 126.1 of this subchapter, Port Directors of U.S. Customs and Border Protection shall permit the export without a license of components and parts for Category I(a) firearms, except barrels, cylinders, receivers (frames) or complete breech mechanisms when the total value does not exceed $500 wholesale in any transaction.

123.17(e) Port Directors of U.S. Customs and Border Protection shall permit U.S. persons to export without a license ammunition for nonautomatic firearms referred to in paragraph (a) of this section if the quantity does not exceed 1,000 cartridges (or rounds) in any shipment. The ammunition must also be for personal use and not for resale or other transfer of ownership. The foregoing exemption is also not applicable to the personnel referred to in § 123.18.

That is quoted directly from the ITAR where I was directed by someone in the know. So FYI.
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Wrong...See this...this only applies to companies or individuals registered with the DDTC. It basically means that they are exempt from obtaining a license for export, Form DSP-5 if it is under $500. Doesn't apply to us Canadians wanting to bring stuff across the border.

§123.1 Requirement for export or temporary import licenses.
(a) Any person who intends to export or to import temporarily a defense article must obtain the approval of the Directorate of Defense Trade Controls prior to the export or temporary import, unless the export or temporary import qualifies for an exemption under the provisions of this subchapter. The applicant must be registered with the Directorate of Defense Trade Controls pursuant to part 122 of this subchapter prior to submitting an application. Applications for unclassified exports and temporary imports must be submitted electronically. Applications for classified exports and classified temporary imports must be submitted via paper. Further guidance is provided on the Internet Web site of the Directorate of Defense Trade Controls. The application forms for export or temporary import are as follows:

StoneHorse said:
Unless your "friend" is a licensed exporter of ITAR regulated parts, he would be breaking US federal laws. Claiming them on the Canadian side does not exonerate him.
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This^^^^^^^^^^^.
 
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Punisher-One said:
123.17 Exports of firearms, ammunition, and personal protective gear.
(a) Except as provided in § 126.1 of this subchapter, Port Directors of U.S. Customs and Border Protection shall permit the export without a license of components and parts for Category I(a) firearms, except barrels, cylinders, receivers (frames) or complete breech mechanisms when the total value does not exceed $500 wholesale in any transaction.

123.17(e) Port Directors of U.S. Customs and Border Protection shall permit U.S. persons to export without a license ammunition for nonautomatic firearms referred to in paragraph (a) of this section if the quantity does not exceed 1,000 cartridges (or rounds) in any shipment. The ammunition must also be for personal use and not for resale or other transfer of ownership. The foregoing exemption is also not applicable to the personnel referred to in § 123.18.

That is quoted directly from the ITAR where I was directed by someone in the know. So FYI.
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Your someone in the know is very wrong in the application as already pointed out. It could be a 50 cent part and if it is an ITAR controlled item then you are breaking US law.
 
jackrabbit000 said:
Wrong...See this...this only applies to companies or individuals registered with the DDTC. It basically means that they are exempt from obtaining a license for export, Form DSP-5 if it is under $500. Doesn't apply to us Canadians wanting to bring stuff across the border.

§123.1 Requirement for export or temporary import licenses.
(a) Any person who intends to export or to import temporarily a defense article must obtain the approval of the Directorate of Defense Trade Controls prior to the export or temporary import, unless the export or temporary import qualifies for an exemption under the provisions of this subchapter. The applicant must be registered with the Directorate of Defense Trade Controls pursuant to part 122 of this subchapter prior to submitting an application. Applications for unclassified exports and temporary imports must be submitted electronically. Applications for classified exports and classified temporary imports must be submitted via paper. Further guidance is provided on the Internet Web site of the Directorate of Defense Trade Controls. The application forms for export or temporary import are as follows:
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Read the part I bolded. You must apply for the DDTC unless the export/temp import qualifies for an exemption under the provisions of this (123) subchapter. In this case the items, >$500 of the aforementioned firearms parts, do have a specific exemption from the licence requirements for export under this section.
 
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Read the part I bolded. You must apply for the DDTC unless the export/temp import qualifies for an exemption under the provisions of this (123) subchapter. In this case the items, >$500 of the aforementioned firearms parts, do have a specific exemption from the licence requirements for export under this section.
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They still need to be registered just don't need to obtain approval under the exemption you are speaking of.
 
Go to 121.9 and 123.16-19 and note the *. Look at BIS 748.xx as well.

The exemption you referred to is for a specific export license. If the US person/company is registered with DDTC as an exporter of munitions under the US Munitions Act, and has a standing export authorization, they are exempt from obtaining a license permit for certain ITAR items, if the value is <$100 and the item is not specifically protected. For exports to Canada, the value is $500 with certain exception. The port directors follow this and any other rules created by other US Code such as Dept of Commerce.

So, knowing only one section of US code, without the benefit of knowing how it relates or goes hand in hand with another section can get you into a lot of trouble. This is all relatively new for sport shooters since about 2002 with amendments in 2005 and on. I posted the section 126.1 in another post and how other sections of commerce control applies, including how records and exemptions to "documentation" and "licenses" apply.
 
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It is easier to buy them from brownells or others
You are wrong about certain parts are not itar xontrolled.
You should get informed properly before a comment like this



Trinimon said:
Wow, the misinformation in some posts can get a guy arrested for a Federal crime in the US.

"I've seen it done..."
"I know someone..."
"A friend of mine..."
"Under X dollars is fine..."

Let's see how those excuses hold up when you are sitting in a cell at the border if/when you get caught. Gun parts are ITAR controlled, period. Dollar value means nothing. It could be a 50 cent detent spring, it's still ITAR controlled.
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